Eastern Europe

"igor" wrote in message
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irishtraveller wrote:
Greetings, in the month of June me and 3 friends are planning on going on
a
trip to eastern europe. Roughly, the route we're planning on doing is,
flying from Dublin to Stanstead, then from Stanstead to Brno (with
Ryanair). From there, a train to Krakow, then to Warsaw. From there, to
Belarus (Brest - Minsk), then to Moscow via Smolensk, after that to St.
Petersburg. The final leg of the trip will be from there to Tallinn in
Estonia and finally on to Riga in Latvia, where can fly back to London
Stanstead. Ideally we'd like to spend not much more than 4 weeks away.
Does this route seem reasonable, are there any places i'd be advised not
to visit due to safety issues and what not. Also, i can't seem to find
much information on train prices so i don't know how much it is all going
to cost. If you have any advise regarding any part of this trip, please
respond.

Don't go via Minsk - there isn't much to see there and there are problems
with getting a visa. Go via Ukraine: Warsaw - Kiev - Moscow. Kiev is much
more interesting than Minsk (you could also visit Lvov on the way). From
1.05 till 1.09 EU citizens won't need visas to enter Ukraine.

From 1.05 till 1.09 EU citizens won't need visas to enter Ukraine. That's
certainly true.
But will they still require evidence of pre-booked accommodation (as per
under the current visa regulations)?
Gerry

Gerald Oliver Swift [on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:49:44 +0100] wrote:

DFM:

Erick:

You're ****ed.

You should say "****ed off", as being ****ed means very different
things in British and American English.

When an American says "I'm ****ed" he means he's "****ed off"
When a Brit says "I'm ****ed", it means he's drunk.

Thanks! I didn't know that, and learned something today!

--
Low Countries By Bike - http://lowcountriesbybike.info
Riding on two wheels in Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany

ciao Padraigh

we meet again..

if the Baltic Countries are on your
TO DO list

I might help you with info on Riga
which I visit at least 3 times a year.

But I can help you with Tallinn and Vilnius as well.

pls calculate that an apartment will cost you about 50 eur day..
while radissons hotels normally have special internet offers at about 100
eur night.-

for food.. self services go for about 5 eur person.
while good restaurants go between 10 and 15 eur per person.

I just came back from istanbul. in case you need.
even if Turkey is not Istanbul..
Turkey is nice and full of treasures.

I will be visiting the region north of Rome in a few days. ( viterbo being
the centre of my visit )
pls note that Ryan Air connects Riga with London.
while Air baltic connects Dublin with Riga.
from Riga you can reach both Tallinn and Vilnius in a few hours by bus.
From tallinn you can reach very easily Helsinky by boat or hydrofoil..
while ryan air again flies flies from a Finnish airport

ciao
sandro
"Padraig Breathnach" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Alan S wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:24:25 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

Website? Oh, I get it: you found a website called talkabouttravelling.
Here was I, and here are others, thinking that we are in usenet (the
realm of discussion groups) and we find that we are teleported through
to the world-wide web (Don't worry about it Seán, I'm only poking a
little gentle fun at the world).

I know you know, Padraig, but it's surprising just how many
web-sites are now feeding off us on usenet.

Thanks for crediting me with having a bit of cop-on, Alan!

Yes, I am aware that quite a few websites get most of their content
from usenet. In general, I don't mind: those that I have checked don't
seem to be essentially money-making projects and some, like
talkabouttravelling are upfront about what they are doing. In effect,
they act as portals to usenet for those who have no other convenient
access. I would mind if people were trying to make serious money on
the back of our efforts.

Readers may get a shock if they try this:

Do a search on Google (web, not groups) with a distinctive
part of your name, or addy, or nick. You'll be amazed at the
different web-sites that show your posts that you thought
were just appearing here or on another usenet group.

For example "Padraig Breathnach" comes up with over 6000
hits on a wide variety of forums, most of which I'm sure you
posted on usenet, not the web.

Of course, I would never google on my own name! I think that more than
half the hits are me (while it may seem an unusual name to some
participants in rec.travel.europe, there are others who are known by
the same appelation). Nearly all those hits on me come from my usenet
participation.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

"tile" wrote:

ciao Padraigh

we meet again..

Ciao, Sandro.

if the Baltic Countries are on your
TO DO list

I might help you with info on Riga
which I visit at least 3 times a year.

But I can help you with Tallinn and Vilnius as well.

pls calculate that an apartment will cost you about 50 eur day..
while radissons hotels normally have special internet offers at about 100
eur night.-

for food.. self services go for about 5 eur person.
while good restaurants go between 10 and 15 eur per person.

Sounds like our money could go a long way there.

While the Baltic states are on our list, we probably won't get there
this year. So far, we have been to Venice and Stockholm, and I have
just booked a ferry crossing to Brittany for next month. Croatia in
September is also booked. I can't imagine finding time and opportunity
for much more travel outside Ireland in 2005 -- perhaps one city
break, and we have lots of candidate cities.

I just came back from istanbul. in case you need.
even if Turkey is not Istanbul..
Turkey is nice and full of treasures.

Istanbul has been done, and is not a current priority.

I will be visiting the region north of Rome in a few days. ( viterbo being
the centre of my visit )
pls note that Ryan Air connects Riga with London.
while Air baltic connects Dublin with Riga.
from Riga you can reach both Tallinn and Vilnius in a few hours by bus.
From tallinn you can reach very easily Helsinky by boat or hydrofoil..
while ryan air again flies flies from a Finnish airport

I'm not a Ryanair fan, because I like to perceive myself as a person,
not a commodity. We all delude ourselves in some ways.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

"tile" wrote:

ciao Padraigh

we meet again..

Ciao, Sandro.

if the Baltic Countries are on your
TO DO list

I might help you with info on Riga
which I visit at least 3 times a year.

But I can help you with Tallinn and Vilnius as well.

pls calculate that an apartment will cost you about 50 eur day..
while radissons hotels normally have special internet offers at about 100
eur night.-

for food.. self services go for about 5 eur person.
while good restaurants go between 10 and 15 eur per person.

Sounds like our money could go a long way there.

While the Baltic states are on our list, we probably won't get there
this year. So far, we have been to Venice and Stockholm, and I have
just booked a ferry crossing to Brittany for next month. Croatia in
September is also booked. I can't imagine finding time and opportunity
for much more travel outside Ireland in 2005 -- perhaps one city
break, and we have lots of candidate cities.

I just came back from istanbul. in case you need.
even if Turkey is not Istanbul..
Turkey is nice and full of treasures.

Istanbul has been done, and is not a current priority.

I will be visiting the region north of Rome in a few days. ( viterbo being
the centre of my visit )
pls note that Ryan Air connects Riga with London.
while Air baltic connects Dublin with Riga.
from Riga you can reach both Tallinn and Vilnius in a few hours by bus.
From tallinn you can reach very easily Helsinky by boat or hydrofoil..
while ryan air again flies flies from a Finnish airport

I'm not a Ryanair fan, because I like to perceive myself as a person,
not a commodity. We all delude ourselves in some ways.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

"Gerald Oliver Swift" schrieb im

From 1.05 till 1.09 EU citizens won't need visas to enter
Ukraine. That's certainly true.
But will they still require evidence of pre-booked
accommodation (as per under the current visa regulations)?

No.

Last year I needed a visa, but nobody asked for any pre-booked accomodation
(neither at the embassy, nor at the border). However, I was travelling with a
private visa, as no invitation letter is needed therefore.



--
Helmut Uttenthaler,
Graz

"Gerald Oliver Swift" schrieb im

From 1.05 till 1.09 EU citizens won't need visas to enter
Ukraine. That's certainly true.
But will they still require evidence of pre-booked
accommodation (as per under the current visa regulations)?

No.

Last year I needed a visa, but nobody asked for any pre-booked accomodation
(neither at the embassy, nor at the border). However, I was travelling with a
private visa, as no invitation letter is needed therefore.



--
Helmut Uttenthaler,
Graz

Also to note; 'taking the ****' in England is imbibing, not
excreting...g

Tim K

"Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote in message
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Gerald Oliver Swift [on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:49:44 +0100] wrote:

DFM:

Erick:

You're ****ed.

You should say "****ed off", as being ****ed means very different
things in British and American English.

When an American says "I'm ****ed" he means he's "****ed off"
When a Brit says "I'm ****ed", it means he's drunk.

Thanks! I didn't know that, and learned something today!

--
Low Countries By Bike - http://lowcountriesbybike.info
Riding on two wheels in Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany

Also to note; 'taking the ****' in England is imbibing, not
excreting...g

Tim K

"Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote in message
...
Gerald Oliver Swift [on Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:49:44 +0100] wrote:

DFM:

Erick:

You're ****ed.

You should say "****ed off", as being ****ed means very different
things in British and American English.

When an American says "I'm ****ed" he means he's "****ed off"
When a Brit says "I'm ****ed", it means he's drunk.

Thanks! I didn't know that, and learned something today!

--
Low Countries By Bike - http://lowcountriesbybike.info
Riding on two wheels in Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany

"Timothy Kroesen" wrote in message
link.net...
Also to note; 'taking the ****' in England is imbibing, not
excreting...g

Tim K


Its neither , it means 'making fun of'

'getting ****ed' is imbibing

Keith




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