W-A-Y-Y OT (but IMO important) - Farenheit 911

I am not a movie-goer – until yesterday, the last time I’d seen a film
in a theater was when the movie of Carl Sagan’s “Contact” was released.
Most things I really want to see will wait until I can rent the video
and watch it on a reasonably sized screen with the sound at an
acceptable volume level. Given the timely subject matter, Fahrenheit
911 seemed too important and too time-bound a film for this treatment.
(If only to be sure I saw it before it was withdrawn on some pretext or
other.)

This is a very disturbing film, but one I personally believe every
American should see. Yes, it’s “propaganda” and yes, it is edited to
present Mr. Moores’ personal point of view, with which not everyone
agrees. H O W E V E R, he makes many of his points using actual news
footage, and with verifiable statements of facts (no matter how
unpalatable some people may find them). Some of those unarguable
elements are disquieting, to say the least, and may cause all but the
most unquestioning of Bush supporters to re-examine their positions.

Yes, I DO recognize the parts that are biased - a college student could
not get through Freshman English at Macalester (at least not in my day)
without being able to recognize “slanted” news reporting (although I
doubt whether many of us have heard an “unbiased” news report since WW2
– and some of those were suspect, for obvious reasons). I’m very much
afraid many of my fellow-countrymen no longer know the difference
between “news” and “news commentary”.

It is encouraging that “freedom of speech” in America has not yet been
so far suppressed that films like “Fahrenheit 911” cannot reach an
audience. (If we re-elect our present administration, who knows?.)
Whether it makes enough of us actually THINK about what it says remains
to be seen. It certainly raises some vital questions which the Bush
administration would be wise to address with something other than
rhetoric (rather than “sweeping them under the rug” as it seems so
prone to do).

I urge all of you who can to see “Fahrenheit 911” and judge for
yourselves. If the film makes you THINK (instead of react), whether or
not you agree with its premises, then it has accomplished what it was
intended to do.

It is encouraging that “freedom of speech� in America has not yet been
so far suppressed that films like “Fahrenheit 911� cannot reach an
audience. (If we re-elect our present administration, who knows?.)

Please, spare us the hyperbole. You're the one who lives in a country where
there's a national law forbidding children from wearing religious clothing and
symbols to school. As much as I loathe Bush & Co., I'm happy to report that
free speech is alive and well here in the US, more so than in France, or for
that matter even Germany, where you can't even sell magazines with photos
depicting anything with a Swastika on it.

And you're right, your post is W-A-Y-Y off topic, so why did you post it here?
No matter though, I trust my killfile feature will filter out this and a lot of
other junk you've posted here.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I urge all of you who can to see “Fahrenheit 911” and judge for
yourselves. If the film makes you THINK (instead of react), whether or
not you agree with its premises, then it has accomplished what it was
intended to do.

Well, if it was a public service that Moore was offering you might have
something. But Moore is capitalizing on the capitalist system to promote
his own views with selective editing, much as most of the media do these
days. The beauty of it for him is that Moore is making money from every
left wing boob who pays to see the movie. Moore will convince nobody of
anything but will rake many millions from left wingers with nothing
better to do than ratchet up their hatred of Bush. Hate, hate, hate,
ain't it great. And yes, your post is off topic and did not need to be
on this forum. Why don't you go to the movie every day and keep feeding
Moore? He looks, talks, and acts like something the cat dragged in.
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NoNameAtAll wrote:

It is encouraging that "freedom of speech" in America has not yet been
so far suppressed that films like "Fahrenheit 911" cannot reach an
audience. (If we re-elect our present administration, who knows?.)

Please, spare us the hyperbole. You're the one who lives in a country
where
there's a national law forbidding children from wearing religious clothing
and
symbols to school. As much as I loathe Bush & Co., I'm happy to report
that
free speech is alive and well here in the US, more so than in France, or
for
that matter even Germany, where you can't even sell magazines with photos
depicting anything with a Swastika on it.

And you're right, your post is W-A-Y-Y off topic, so why did you post it
here?
No matter though, I trust my killfile feature will filter out this and a
lot of
other junk you've posted here.


Jeez, man, you're being kinda mean here, don't ya think....???

And you can't deny that attempts *were* made to suppress the film here in
the States....

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Best
Greg

John Bermont wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I urge all of you who can to see “Fahrenheit 911” and judge for
yourselves. If the film makes you THINK (instead of react), whether or
not you agree with its premises, then it has accomplished what it was
intended to do.

Well, if it was a public service that Moore was offering you might have
something. But Moore is capitalizing on the capitalist system to promote
his own views with selective editing, much as most of the media do these
days. The beauty of it for him is that Moore is making money from every
left wing boob who pays to see the movie.


Well you hardly expect movie theaters not to charge admission, do you...???

Since Moore is a leftist, does that imply that he not be paid for his
labors...???

[Ain't America GREAT or WHAT...!? Hey folks, even a leftist can use his
talents to make money...!!!! Whoulda thunk it...!?]

Most of these left wing "boobs" you speak of possess critical thinking
skills (unlike "boobs" of a different political persuasion that will go un -
named) and will have followed discussions in the media and elsewhere
(Usenet, etc.) about any distortions or fallacies Moore might be making in
this film (and apparently he does make a few). Believe it or not there are
some of us that do not require that our information be first filtered and
then spoon - fed to us.
..

Moore will convince nobody of
anything but will rake many millions from left wingers with nothing
better to do than ratchet up their hatred of Bush. Hate, hate, hate,
ain't it great.


Since Shrub & Co. have nothing but contempt for the American people, I'd say
"hate, hate, hate" might be a proper emotional response.

People are only human, after all :-)


And yes, your post is off topic and did not need to be
on this forum. Why don't you go to the movie every day and keep feeding
Moore?


Apparently many showings of the film are *totally* sold - out.... so unless
one has the time to stand on line all day it might be hard to see it every
day.


He looks, talks, and acts like something the cat dragged in.


So who is looking petty now...???

Does Moore ridicule the Shrub's physical appearance in the movie, do you
know...???

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Best
Greg

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:35:25 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:

And you can't deny that attempts *were* made to suppress the film here in
the States....

If you are equating Disney's refusal to distribute the film as
suppression, you do not understand the movie business.

Gordon

"Gregory Morrow"
wandered out of a yurt and mumbled:

And you can't deny that attempts *were* made to suppress the film here in
the States....

Yes, I can deny it; the facts are well-known if you care to search for
them. Moore quite deliberately lied about Disney's "suppression" of
the film in order to build a buzz. I don't begrudge him this clever
bit of marketing. But it's a little disheartening that people are
naive enough to swallow a PR stunt hook, line and sinker.


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Bozone(n.) -- The invisible substance surrounding stupid people
that prevents smart ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer,
unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down.

Gordon Forbess wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:35:25 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:


And you can't deny that attempts *were* made to suppress the film here in
the States....


If you are equating Disney's refusal to distribute the film as
suppression, you do not understand the movie business.


I imagine the reference is to this indirect and rather
dim-witted attempt to suppress it:

http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_ente...t.asp?id=18620

which begins:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A conservative advocacy group asked a
government agency on Thursday to bar ads for Michael Moore's
controversial documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" on the grounds that
they are "electioneering communications" restricted by federal
campaign laws.

-- Ron

BTW, the movie did over $8 million at the box office on its
opening day. It should top the total take for Bowling for
Columbine by the time the weekend's over. Talk about "laughing
all the way to the bank"!

-- Ron
Hamilton, ON

Charles Hawtrey wrote:

"Gregory Morrow"
wandered out of a yurt and mumbled:


And you can't deny that attempts *were* made to suppress the film here in
the States....


Yes, I can deny it; the facts are well-known if you care to search for
them. Moore quite deliberately lied about Disney's "suppression" of
the film in order to build a buzz. I don't begrudge him this clever
bit of marketing. But it's a little disheartening that people are
naive enough to swallow a PR stunt hook, line and sinker.

because it is clear to all of us that Disney IS distributing the film?

LOL -- there have been several conservative attempts since then of
course to further censor/suppress the film including a suit to disallow
ads for it as 'illegal campaign ads'

of course it is briar patch time for Moore -- and Disney has once again
proved to be mickey mouse -- so fearful of Jeb Bush that they blew their
chance to make a few million


--
Bozone(n.) -- The invisible substance surrounding stupid people
that prevents smart ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer,
unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down.

NoNameAtAll wrote:

It is encouraging that “freedom of speech� in America has not yet been
so far suppressed that films like “Fahrenheit 911� cannot reach an
audience. (If we re-elect our present administration, who knows?.)


Please, spare us the hyperbole. You're the one who lives in a country where
there's a national law forbidding children from wearing religious clothing and
symbols to school.

Really? Which part of the U.S. is that? In the area of L.A. where I
live, I see plenty of Jewish boys in yarmulkas and Moslem girls in
head-scarves. (Nor is there any dearth of Christian jewelry, worn by
all "flavors" of Christianity.) I seem to recall some comments about
France passing such a law. Are you somehow laboring under the delusion
that I'm French? (Thanks for the compliment, but you obviously are
suffering from a defficiency in reading comprehension.)

As much as I loathe Bush & Co., I'm happy to report that
free speech is alive and well here in the US,

Compared to when? (See the movie, before you make such sweeping
statements.)

.. more so than in France, or for
that matter even Germany, where you can't even sell magazines with photos
depicting anything with a Swastika on it.

That's a BAD thing? (True, it was originally a symbol for something
else entirely, with no connection whatsoever to Germany, much less the
Nazis. However.....)


And you're right, your post is W-A-Y-Y off topic, so why did you post it here?

Why did you reply? I certainly made it clear enough in the thread title
so anyone not interested could easily ignore it.

No matter though, I trust my killfile feature will filter out this and a lot of
other junk you've posted here.

Evidently it wasn't functioning too well, or you'd not even have SEEN
the post! (Idiot!)