Driver Licensing not about highway safety

wrote:
proffsl wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:

My box is not so dark that I have not seen the complete
absence of validity to your claims,

The only thing that has been "complete" is your denial.

You can lead a person in denial to the mirror, but you can't
make him see the person in deinal.

You have been shown the irrefutable facts for 18 months now,

I was the one who showed you the facts. And, you agree with all those
facts. You agree that our courts have recognized that Driving is a
Right, and you agree that our courts also presume to circumvent our
Right to Drive by the employment of a police power.

Only, those police powers are invalid as they are arbitrary and
unreasonable, because driver licensing does nothing for highway safety
that laws against endangerment didn't already serve.

You can read about this at: http://proffsl.110mb.com/driver_licensing.php

Dave Smith wrote:
proffsl wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:

My box is not so dark that I have not seen the complete
absence of validity to your claims,

The only thing that has been "complete" is your denial.

You can lead a person in denial to the mirror, but you can't
make him see the person in deinal.

I think that you are confused about who needs to look in the mirror.
You will see a pathetic little worm who enjoys the abuse.

You say: "enjoys the abuse"? A Freudian Slip on your part, me thinks.

No Dave, I don't "enjoy the abuse" by You, K_flynn, or any of you
other pathetic TROLLS in these newsgroups. But, Dave, I'm not about to
cower away from speaking my mind because of your "abuse".

Driver Licensing not about highway safety

Driver Licensing serves no purpose for highway safety that laws
against endangerment did not already serve, and instead only serves
fiscal greed.

Our public highways were built on our property with our money for the
purpose of enhancing and increasing the exercise of our Right of
Locomotion ordinarily used for personal travel. But, the more our
public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the
more this LIE that Driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of
privilege behind bars lf blacktop.

Read about it at: http://proffsl.110mb.com/driver_licensing.php

On Oct 5, 1:21 pm, proffsl wrote:
wrote:
proffsl wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:

My box is not so dark that I have not seen the complete
absence of validity to your claims,

The only thing that has been "complete" is your denial.

You can lead a person in denial to the mirror, but you can't
make him see the person in deinal.

You have been shown the irrefutable facts for 18 months now,

I was the one who showed you the facts.

No, you didn't. You strung together unrelated snippets from non-
licensing court cases, and took some from court cases that *upheld*
licensing, and even a fabricated case quote, and tried to bring life
to a Frankenstein argument that failed to live in the light of facts
and logic.

And, you agree with all those facts.

No, not those that you outlined. They were not facts. They were
misrepresentations of case law. That's not a fact.

You agree that our courts have recognized that Driving is a
Right, and you agree that our courts also presume to circumvent our
Right to Drive by the employment of a police power.

Incorrect. The right to drive is, basically, the right to test for a
license to drive. There is no conflict with the constitutional right
to travel by denying some unqualified segment of the population
*before* they actually cause harm, and indeed, afterward. This has
been ruled upon consistently by all courts that have considered the
very same line of argument and reasoning that you propose, and been
rejected, because you must read the entire Constitution and see that
there are responsibilities we have conferred on our government to
provide for public welfare and safety. The question of whether there's
another way to achieve the end does not mean that the current way is
illegal or unconstitutional - it's just the way we're currently doing
it.

What I *have* agreed with you on is that I could support an
alternative method to achieve those goals, if society so chooses. What
I *disagree* with is your longtime contention that we have been lied
to, that it's based on greed (most licensing and registration revenues
go to highway funding, at least where I live, so it's a user fee, and
it's inadequate at that), and that this right exists in defiance of
all other case law. It doesn't. That's not to say you couldn't effect
a change. Have at it, I say.

Only, those police powers are invalid as they are arbitrary and
unreasonable, because driver licensing does nothing for highway safety
that laws against endangerment didn't already serve.

They are nothing of the sort. You've not even presented a case that
they are arbitrary, and certainly not unreasonable. The question has
been posed to various courts numerous times and it has always been
adjudicated as reasonable and not arbitrary.

On Oct 5, 1:53 pm, proffsl wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
proffsl wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:

My box is not so dark that I have not seen the complete
absence of validity to your claims,

The only thing that has been "complete" is your denial.

You can lead a person in denial to the mirror, but you can't
make him see the person in deinal.

I think that you are confused about who needs to look in the mirror.
You will see a pathetic little worm who enjoys the abuse.

You say: "enjoys the abuse"? A Freudian Slip on your part, me thinks.

No Dave, I don't "enjoy the abuse" by You, K_flynn, or any of you
other pathetic TROLLS in these newsgroups.

Proffs, *you* are the troll; you fit every definition of it. You begin
pointless threads with repeatedly and irrefutably disproven claims
without regard to the devastating case against it; I *respond.* The
troll is the one who begins it.

Driver Licensing not about highway safety

Our public highways were built on our property with our money for the
purpose of enhancing and increasing the exercise of our Right of
Locomotion ordinarily used for personal travel. But, the more our
public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the
more this LIE that Driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of
privilege behind bars lf blacktop.

See, this is where you go over the top. It's nothing of the sort.

"proffsl" wrote in message
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"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"Dave Smith" wrote:
Maybe someone told him if he keeps posting the same rant,
eventually he'll win a driver license. ;-)

Yeah, that about sums it up. He apparently has some sort of
issue with the driver examination process in his jurisdiction and
thinks that bringing up the same flawed logic and non-supporting
evidence is going to get him behind a steering wheel.

If his driving skills are the same as his illogic, it's best he doesn't
get a driver license.

To have correctly said that, incorrect as it is, it should be: "If his
driving skills are the same as his logic skills,"

Would you be interested in the $40,000 challenge?

In the mean time, Driver Licensing does nothing for highway safety
that laws against endangerment did not already serve.


Yeah, well driver licenses are here to stay, so you might as well get used
to it. There are, however, some countries that don't have driver licenses,
you might consider emigrating. I'm sure someone will help you pack. KM
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"proffsl" wrote in message
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No Dave, I don't "enjoy the abuse" by You, K_flynn, or any of you
other pathetic TROLLS in these newsgroups. But, Dave, I'm not about to
cower away from speaking my mind because of your "abuse".


You might consider a more appropriate newsgroup, though. Or do you get more
attention here because you can't hold your own in appropriate newsgroups,
thus they just ignore you? KM
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"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"Dave Smith" wrote:

Maybe someone told him if he keeps posting the same
rant, eventually he'll win a driver license. ;-)

Yeah, that about sums it up. He apparently has some sort
of issue with the driver examination process in his jurisdiction
and thinks that bringing up the same flawed logic and
non-supporting evidence is going to get him behind a
steering wheel.

If his driving skills are the same as his illogic, it's best he doesn't
get a driver license.

To have correctly said that, incorrect as it is, it should be: "If his
driving skills are the same as his logic skills,"

Would you be interested in the $40,000 challenge?

In the mean time, Driver Licensing does nothing for highway
safety that laws against endangerment did not already serve.

Yeah, well driver licenses are here to stay, so you might as well
get used to it.

Nothing lasts forever. Get used to it.


There are, however, some countries that don't have driver
licenses, you might consider emigrating. I'm sure someone
will help you pack.

If I wanted your advice, I'd first start kicking your ass until you
were smart enough to give advice, then I'd stomp it out of you. Are
you sure you want to be trying to give me advice?

"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message

No Dave, I don't "enjoy the abuse" by You, K_flynn, or any of
you other pathetic TROLLS in these newsgroups. But, Dave,
I'm not about to cower away from speaking my mind because
of your "abuse".

You might consider a more appropriate newsgroup, though.

If I wanted your advice, I'd first start kicking your ass until you
were smart enough to give advice, then I'd stomp it out of you. Are
you sure you want to be trying to give me advice?


Or do you get more attention here because you can't hold your
own in appropriate newsgroups, thus they just ignore you?

I'm not here to debate your impression of myself.

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Driver Licensing not about highway safety

Driver Licensing serves no purpose for highway safety that laws
against endangerment did not already serve, and instead only serves
fiscal greed.

Our public highways were built on our property with our money for the
purpose of enhancing and increasing the exercise of our Right of
Locomotion ordinarily used for personal travel. But, the more our
public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the
more this LIE that Driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of
privilege behind bars lf blacktop.

Read about it at: http://proffsl.110mb.com/driver_licensing.php

On Oct 6, 2:29 pm, proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote in message
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"Dave Smith" wrote:

Maybe someone told him if he keeps posting the same
rant, eventually he'll win a driver license. ;-)

Yeah, that about sums it up. He apparently has some sort
of issue with the driver examination process in his jurisdiction
and thinks that bringing up the same flawed logic and
non-supporting evidence is going to get him behind a
steering wheel.

If his driving skills are the same as his illogic, it's best he doesn't
get a driver license.

To have correctly said that, incorrect as it is, it should be: "If his
driving skills are the same as his logic skills,"

Would you be interested in the $40,000 challenge?

In the mean time, Driver Licensing does nothing for highway
safety that laws against endangerment did not already serve.

Yeah, well driver licenses are here to stay, so you might as well
get used to it.

Nothing lasts forever. Get used to it.

There are, however, some countries that don't have driver
licenses, you might consider emigrating. I'm sure someone
will help you pack.

If I wanted your advice, I'd first start kicking your ass until you
were smart enough to give advice, then I'd stomp it out of you. Are
you sure you want to be trying to give me advice?

I'm sorry, but I don't know who to root for here.

wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't know who to root for here.

You should, of course, root for Right.

Driver Licensing not about highway safety

Driver Licensing serves no purpose for highway safety that laws
against endangerment did not already serve, and instead only serves
fiscal greed.

Our public highways were built on our property with our money for the
purpose of enhancing and increasing the exercise of our Right of
Locomotion ordinarily used for personal travel. But, the more our
public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the
more this LIE that Driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of
privilege behind bars lf blacktop.

Read about it at: http://proffsl.110mb.com/driver_licensing.php

And, if you are interested in discovering The Arrogant Madness behind
Mandatory Liability

Read about it at: http://proffsl.110mb.com/mandatory_liability.php