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  #641  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 01:55 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Keith W writes:

The question is addressed to you not them. You are the
one making the claim after all.


I don't know what their contigency plans are, but eventually they'll
need more energy than they are able to buy on the free market.


That was the point I made, you claimed their contingency
plans involved taking energy from someone else.

Please clarify who you think they can invade to grab
this energy.

Keith





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  #642  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 01:57 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Tchiowa writes:

That's what the phone company tried to argue. It was broken up and
service improved.


The monopoly on the local loop has never been broken. And the phone
company is now unbreaking itself, becoming exactly what it was before.

Etc, Etc,


Examples?

Goal? They may talk about goal but the reality is completely
different. Tell me the government entity that you think provides
good service.


It's easier to list government entities that do not provide good
service, but even then, nothing springs to mind offhand, except
perhaps ephemeral structures that exist for reasons other than the
ones nominally given for them, such as the DHS.

And didn't I say that monopolies are not normally good?


Perhaps, but some things have to be monopolies. You cannot have ten
sets of wires providing electricity to your home, or three sets of
pipes providing water.

That's why monopolies are generally bad. Including government
monopolies.


But some monopolies cannot be avoided, and they should not be private.



There is a myth that government can't perform as well as private industry.

It's a myth.

Private industry is no more nor less competent than government entities.

It depends on who's watching.

In private industry nobody's watching.

So nobody knows how efficient or inefficient they are.

Nor is it publicized)


  #643  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:00 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:35:52 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Dave Frightens Me writes:

It's a relative thing, not absolute. Professionals can demand more
money, because they are professionals.


How much more money can they demand? You have to put figures to this
argument at some point, or it serves no purpose.


Why? More is more than less, and is preferred. That's all that
matters.

Why must there be a dividing line?


Because if there isn't, there is no distinction between professionals
and non-professionals, which invalidates your position. You indicated
that there _was_ a dividing line, but you've thus far refused to
quantify it.


Show me where I indicated that.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:09 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Following up to Mxsmanic

Professionals can demand more than non-professionals.


So there must be a dividing line between what non-professionals can
demand and what professionals can demand. What is that dividing line?


a demarcation line.
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  #645  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:09 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Following up to Dave Frightens Me

With an excellent public health system and welfare. Aren't these the
earmarks of a socialist nation?


No.


What is then?


ownership of the means of production by the people, a public
health system is a earmark of a country with some feeling for
social justice, I suppose you could call it social democracy,
although our Tories support it. But they are currently posturing
to the left of new labour.
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  #646  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:09 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Following up to Tchiowa

Why not?


because it doesn't work.


Because it's Socialism.


why do you keep repeating stuff nobody is disagreeing with?

Again (and again and again) your type of Luddism has been proclaiming
the pending end of the world if we don't retract our economies for
centuries. And you've always been wrong.


you're in a small minority of closed minds who can only make
irrelevant comments about socialism while ignoring scientific
opinion.

There is no problem that work can make "worse".


so you "think"

But it was the Socialist economy that crumbled and cause the failure of
the government, not the other way around.


We all know that. They saw the "western" model was better and the
rest followed. I'm not sure they are fully on top of democracy yet.


Uh, no. Their economy collapsed. They didn't "see" and "follow". Their
Socialist system collapsed.


I didnt totally collapse, it was in a very poor way, without a
better example to move to, it may have taken a lot longer, but
this is history, look to the future.

For some reason you have a penchant for misunderstanding things
and then explaining the obvious.


For some reason you have a penchant for avoiding historical fact.


Like what? You mostly repeat irrelevancies that nobody is arguing
about.

And I didn't say that US health care was cheap. Obviously it's not. But
the system is sustainable while the NHS is already collapsing. By their
own admission. (And by several UK court rulings.)


A UK political party hardly represents the "future".


Eh? Nobody said it did, did they?.

Europe is the past.


empty assertion

You are. You're talking about Socialized Medicine which only comes from
a Socialist government. By definition.


nonsense, I don't have a socialist government, we have tax funded
medicine.

I live in a free market capitalist system.


Which you clearly want to socialize.


total and complete nonsense. If you "clearly" see that it must
be based on some preconceived ideas of what all opponents of your
way of thinking must think. Very silly indeed.

I am talking about things like the desirability within that system of free at point of
delivery medicine (something civilised countries see as a compassionate "must
have")


And which has been explained to you simply doesn't exist. It's not
"free". You're talking about "free to you". "I want, I want, I want,
you pay".


You are telling me our health system isn't "free" immediately
after I said it was "free at point of delivery". We *all* pay for
the health system, we don't need you to tell us its not free, we
know its not free. did you not notice our exchange of comments
about the relative costs? I have to wonder about you at this
point.

and curbing some types of consumption to constrain global warming,


No, you talking about curbing virtually all consumption


Oh, yeah, sure.

The difference between me and you is that I take a realistic view of
the world and I want to make sure that the world my children and
grandchildren inherit is better than the one I live in. I'm not
willing, for example, to sacrifice their access to quality medical care
in order to get it "free" for me right now.


nobody said it was "free", except you. It isn't free.

The future of our children is exactly why people are trying to
reduce polluting consumption to sustainable levels, you don't
understand that.

That's what compassionate, civilized people in compassionate, civilized
countries care about.


very true, (except for the comment on medical care).

As you are still at stage one of thinking I think our health care
is free (in spite of having compared costs) and thinking that I
want to socialise our economy based on god knows what, I have to
conclude there is no point in talking to you. Bye.
plonk for a while
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  #647  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:51 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Dave Frightens Me writes:

Why? More is more than less, and is preferred. That's all that
matters.


OK. I make more than a euro at what I do, therefore I'm a
professional. After all, a euro is more than half a euro.

Show me where I indicated that.


As soon as you assert that there are two categories, professional and
non-professional, you imply some sort of identifiable distinction
between them. If you can't describe the distinction, then your
division into categories has no meaning.

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  #648  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 02:52 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa wrote:
Gorazd Bozic wrote:
Or did you mean to say that Communism = Socialism?


Pretty much, yes. Communism is one form of Socialism. Read Marx.


8- Oh, I have. I do admit though it was some time ago.

Communism is not much more than militarily enforced Socialism.


That's definitely not what we were taught back then. I'd fail a marxism
class with a statement like that, that I'm certain.

Gorazd

  #649  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 03:42 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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???? Who are you trying to kid. The majority of people never go on
unemployment. 4% unemployment is considered "full employment" because
there is a hard core of around 4% of the people who stay unemployed
pretty much their whole lives. (Can you say "drunk and lazy"?)

Please stop misinforming people by citing your opinions as fact.

The official U.S. unemployment rate only takes into consideration those
individuals have actively searched for employment in the preceding four
weeks. Unless the "drunk and lazy" are out there looking for jobs, they
don't qualify as umemployed. Neither do full-time moms, college students,
nor those of us lazy folks who work out of our home.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_faq.htm#Ques5

Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have
actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available
for work.

Who is not in the labor force?

All members of the civilian noninstitutional population are eligible for
inclusion in the labor force, and those 16 and over who have a job or are
actively looking for one are so classified. All others--those who have no
job and are not looking for one--are counted as "not in the labor force."
Many who do not participate in the labor force are going to school or are
retired. Family responsibilities keep others out of the labor force. Still
others have a physical or mental disability which prevents them from
participating in labor force activities.




  #650  
Old August 2nd, 2006, 06:05 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Following up to Mxsmanic

As soon as you assert that there are two categories, professional and
non-professional


its in the dictionary.
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