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France is denying tension with U.S. on canceled flights
A bit of a hot potato. Some French comment is that the US would not have made this much fuss over nothing and that clear indications were that something was "afoot". Yet, there is also a sentiment that the US made similar errors in intelligence judgments in the past. Basically, it is better to live with that in the area of terrorism than brush warnings aside. The press still does not report the profiles of those who did not make the flight. Knowing the DST they are likely to say "we haven`t found anything" when they are hot on the trial. Smart people never talk to the media unless they want to manipulate it. Earl ****** France is denying tension with U.S. on canceled flights advertisement John Burgess Washington Post Dec. 27, 2003 12:00 AM PARIS - Air France resumed its canceled Paris-Los Angeles schedule on Friday, as French and U.S. officials denied reports of tensions over whether U.S. terrorism warnings warranted grounding the flights. Cooperation with the United States "has been exemplary," said Jean-Claude Mallet, permanent secretary for national defense in the French Prime Minister's Office. There was a frequent and ongoing exchange of intelligence and consultations with the CIA and FBI, Mallet said in an interview. He said the decision to cancel six flights on Wednesday and Thursday was mutual, because the warnings were so credible and specific that there was no choice. U.S. intelligence officials said Friday that it was still not clear if the cancellation of the flights had successfully thwarted a terrorist operation. Late Thursday, French officials announced that the specific threat to the Los Angeles route had abated, and so, at 3:50 p.m. on Friday, Air France Flight 68 took off from Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport. That was about 2 hours and 15 minutes late, a delay that Mallet attributed to highest-level security measures that remain in effect at the airport, requiring exhaustive screening of passengers and luggage. A second flight, on Friday night, also departed more than 2 hours late. The French Interior Ministry reported Thursday that police questioned 13 people who had come to the airport to board two of the canceled flights and whose names appeared on a watch list. But no evidence of terrorist intent by any of the 13 came to light, the ministry said, and all were released. U.S. officials said that certain passengers who had bookings but failed to appear for the flights could have been planning a terror attack. The concern was "certainly not limited to one particular flight or airline," a U.S. official said, nor did it pinpoint a particular day, but rather a period of time. Officials reviewing flight manifests came across suspicious names, and "you don't have a whole lot of time and it's certainly not something you can ignore," the official said. That was when the Bush administration asked Air France to cancel those specific flights. Mallet declined to discuss specifics of how authorities are proceeding, but said that even people who did not check in will come under scrutiny. Some media reports have depicted French officials as initially skeptical that the warnings were sufficiently credible to justify the extreme step of canceling the flights and that in response, their U.S. counterparts applied pressure. Le Figaro newspaper reported Friday that the American side raised the possibility, directly or by implication, of denying Air France planes heading for Los Angeles permission to enter U.S. airspace, leaving French authorities with no real choice but to ground the flights. Though France and the United States remain at odds over the Iraq war, they have continued close cooperation against international terrorists. French forces took part in the war against the Taliban movement and al-Qaida network in Afghanistan and remain part of an international peacekeeping contingent in Kabul, the Afghan capital. On Friday, officials from both sides disputed accounts that tensions emerged over the Air France flights. "In our view, the cooperation was excellent," said a U.S. official in Paris, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Mallet said, "We have always had excellent relationships with the American (security) services." |
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France is denying tension with U.S. on canceled flights
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Earl Evleth wrote: A bit of a hot potato. Some French comment is that the US would not have made this much fuss over nothing and that clear indications were that something was "afoot". Yet, there is also a sentiment that the US made similar errors in intelligence judgments in the past. Basically, it is better to live with that in the area of terrorism than brush warnings aside. The press still does not report the profiles of those who did not make the flight. Knowing the DST they are likely to say "we haven`t found anything" when they are hot on the trial. Smart people never talk to the media unless they want to manipulate it. Has it been revealed why a sting was not successfully performed, here they just say it was a leak from someone. jay Sat, Dec 27, 2003 -- Legend insists that as he finished his abject... Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move." |
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Earl Evleth wrote: On 27/12/03 12:24, in article , "Go Fig" wrote: Has it been revealed why a sting was not successfully performed, here they just say it was a leak from someone. You were the person who spread the disinformation that Air France personnel were suspect of being involved on this NG! So enough of your disinformation! What an ingnorant fool. Look at the worlds newspapers of the day. I specifically said 'suggested." To commandeer a plane today, you are going to need a weapon, it is very doubtful that that weapon can get past passenger screening... that leaves air-side. Is it now your suggestion that a sting wasnt originally planned ? jay Sat, Dec 27, 2003 -- Legend insists that as he finished his abject... Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move." |
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Go Fig wrote: To commandeer a plane today, you are going to need a weapon, it is very doubtful that that weapon can get past passenger screening... that leaves air-side. Alot of small items can be effectively used as a weapon. Pretty easy to get something past screening IMHO. 9/11 showed us just how easy. |
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France is denying tension with U.S. on canceled flights
On 27/12/03 6:10 pm, in article t%iHb.24319$J77.18674@fed1read07, "Miles"
wrote: Go Fig wrote: To commandeer a plane today, you are going to need a weapon, it is very doubtful that that weapon can get past passenger screening... that leaves air-side. Alot of small items can be effectively used as a weapon. Pretty easy to get something past screening IMHO. 9/11 showed us just how easy. On a recent trip from Paris to Pau I unpacked in my hotel room and found that I had brought through my Leatherman Micra mini-tool which includes quite a vicious little blade in my hand luggage without it being spotted by the X-ray people. I brought it back to Paris the same way. A coupe of weeks later I was making the same trip, remembered my mini-tool, and couldn't find it. Cogitating on the irony of having lost it so recently after having it been undetected by the X-rays I packed my overnight bag and went to the airport. You guessed it - my Micra was in my bag, and this time they found it. I expressed surprise and happiness, having thought it was lost. They said "oh yes, we find everything, even if people think it's lost". I checked my bag without further comment. J; |
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France is denying tension with U.S. on canceled flights
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Jeremy Henderson wrote: On 27/12/03 6:10 pm, in article t%iHb.24319$J77.18674@fed1read07, "Miles" wrote: Go Fig wrote: To commandeer a plane today, you are going to need a weapon, it is very doubtful that that weapon can get past passenger screening... that leaves air-side. Alot of small items can be effectively used as a weapon. Pretty easy to get something past screening IMHO. 9/11 showed us just how easy. On a recent trip from Paris to Pau I unpacked in my hotel room and found that I had brought through my Leatherman Micra mini-tool which includes quite a vicious little blade in my hand luggage without it being spotted by the X-ray people. I brought it back to Paris the same way. A coupe of weeks later I was making the same trip, remembered my mini-tool, and couldn't find it. Cogitating on the irony of having lost it so recently after having it been undetected by the X-rays I packed my overnight bag and went to the airport. You guessed it - my Micra was in my bag, and this time they found it. I expressed surprise and happiness, having thought it was lost. They said "oh yes, we find everything, even if people think it's lost". I checked my bag without further comment. J; You think a Leatherman is going to be sufficient to commandeer a plane, post 9/11 ? jay Sat, Dec 27, 2003 -- Legend insists that as he finished his abject... Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move." |
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Go Fig writes:
To commandeer a plane today, you are going to need a weapon, it is very doubtful that that weapon can get past passenger screening... that leaves air-side. Weapons get past screening all the time; but the airside risk is in _addition_ to that. -- Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly. |
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On 27/12/03 18:10, in article t%iHb.24319$J77.18674@fed1read07, "Miles"
wrote: Alot of small items can be effectively used as a weapon. Pretty easy to get something past screening IMHO. 9/11 showed us just how easy. Basically there is no way a hijacked plane is going to get from Paris to Las Vegas, the now designated city. The Miami flight never made it because the passengers revolted. We are the counter weapon now. Earl |
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