IATA bids farewell to paper tickets

"grusl" wrote in message
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"William Black" wrote in message
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Don't try it in India.

You can't get into the airport building without something printed...

The CISF is very proud of the fact that it had trained its troops to
recognize e-tickets at airports. Not so much now, but back in 2005 I was
getting a lot of nods and comments like. "Hmm, yes, that's an e-ticket you
have, sah."

Oh yes, a printed out e-ticket will get you in.

Although they do look a bit closer that they do at a ticket folder with a
major airline logo on the front.

And in early 2006 I had to have tickets couriered to me in the UK because at
that time they were still a bit uncertain how things were working out in
Bombay.

I was commenting on the chap who claims he turns up at airports with nothing
on paper.

The CISF are better than most Indian cops but saying 'It's on the web site,
they can log in and see' isn't going to work.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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"Craig Welch" wrote in message
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Magda wrote:

You'll need a printer, too.

Not necessarily. I travel reasonably often without a printed copy of
anything that's ticket related.

Don't try it in India.

You can't get into the airport building without something printed...

India was the only place I managed to get a glimpse of what the guys
see when they swipe my passport. There was (surprisingly to me at
least) a big blown up picture of me, the exact same as on my passport!

Given this, how on earth do people make fake ones?

These days, with difficulty, if you want to cross an international border
anyway. If you want something that'll fool an employer into thinking you're
a real immigrant with real papers all you need is something that looks
right, or just a visa stamp that's a fake in a passport that's real, as
Jean Charles de Menezes had.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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Binyamin Dissen schrieb:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:49:42 GMT Craig Welch wrote:

:auzerais wrote:

: But for
: the last several years, I just go to the airport, swipe my credit card
: in the kiosk machine and it prints out my boarding pass. Never had to
: show anything like an e-ticket I had printed out to anyone.

:Exactly.

:So much for 'positive identification', eh?

Will someone inform the clueless to the fact that pretty much anyone with some
computer skills can create a boarding pass?

I'm not sure about that. The LH ones have some kind of 2-dimensional
barcode on them. Whether the machine at the gate reads them or not, I
have no idea. Certainly security doesn't.

In practice, heavy levels of encryption do little to enhance security.
There' ll always be humans involved.
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"Craig Welch" wrote in message
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Magda wrote:

You'll need a printer, too.

Not necessarily. I travel reasonably often without a printed copy of
anything that's ticket related.

Don't try it in India.

You can't get into the airport building without something printed...

India was the only place I managed to get a glimpse of what the guys
see when they swipe my passport. There was (surprisingly to me at
least) a big blown up picture of me, the exact same as on my passport!

Given this, how on earth do people make fake ones?
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"Craig Welch" wrote in message
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Magda wrote:

You'll need a printer, too.

Not necessarily. I travel reasonably often without a printed copy of
anything that's ticket related.

Don't try it in India.

You can't get into the airport building without something printed...

India was the only place I managed to get a glimpse of what the guys
see when they swipe my passport. There was (surprisingly to me at
least) a big blown up picture of me, the exact same as on my passport!

Given this, how on earth do people make fake ones?

These days, with difficulty, if you want to cross an international border
anyway. If you want something that'll fool an employer into thinking you're
a real immigrant with real papers all you need is something that looks
right, or just a visa stamp that's a fake in a passport that's real, as
Jean Charles de Menezes had.

Bad example that one. It would've save his life if it was picked up
on!
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"Craig Welch" wrote in message
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Magda wrote:

You'll need a printer, too.

Not necessarily. I travel reasonably often without a printed copy of
anything that's ticket related.

Don't try it in India.

You can't get into the airport building without something printed...

India was the only place I managed to get a glimpse of what the guys
see when they swipe my passport. There was (surprisingly to me at
least) a big blown up picture of me, the exact same as on my passport!

Given this, how on earth do people make fake ones?

These days, with difficulty, if you want to cross an international
border
anyway. If you want something that'll fool an employer into thinking
you're
a real immigrant with real papers all you need is something that looks
right, or just a visa stamp that's a fake in a passport that's real, as
Jean Charles de Menezes had.

Bad example that one. It would've save his life if it was picked up
on!

A really good example.

If he'd had legal papers and wasn't an illegal 'overstayer' he might have
shown up on the records and not got shot dead.

The problem overstayers have is that they can't afford to touch the system
anywhere because the immigration authorities might pick them up and put them
on the next plane home.

Their NI number, registration for medical treatment and name on the poll
tax papers means they're an easy to find target, unlike illegals, who
never get on the immigration people's radar.

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In message Magda
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:41:25 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Martin Sylvester"
arranged some electrons, so they
looked like this:

... ... Alain Quai schrieb:
... [...]
... ... Does this mean the end of air travel for someone who doesn't have a
... ... credit card and a PC?
... [...]
...
... You'll need a printer, too.
...
... Might be wise, but not necessarily essential. I've travelled a few times
... with a passport containing a post-it note bearing an e-ticket booking
... reference copied from the PC screen.
...
... Martin.

You live dangerously, don't you?

I don't even bother doing that much, I just show up with my passport and
credit card, this is more then sufficient for the machines at the
airport to print off anything and everything they need.

It also uses a much smaller and lighter piece of paper then what I
generate at home, so is more environmentally sound.

I look forward to the day when the airline's systems can run solely on a
passport, if the traveler is so equipped, there is no reason why a
passport cannot be used at every stage of the game.

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In message
(VS) wrote:

In article . com,
Alain Quai wrote:

GENEVA (Reuters) - The global airlines body IATA said on Monday it
had placed its last order for paper tickets, clearing the way for air
travel to be based entirely on electronic ticketing from June 1 next
year.

My, and it seems like only yesterday our resident licensed attorney,
Paul Tauger, was advising us that an e-ticket is not a written
contract, and that the statute of frauds precludes enforcement
of non-written contracts. I wonder if they changed the statute of
frauds since then, or if IATA is in violation.

The eTicket isn't a contract, but the purchase, promise of service and
billing certainly forms a contract.

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In message (John L) wrote:

My question was, if you have neither of these luxuries, can you still
fly as of next year?

Sure. You just can't do it through your home computer.

To buy your ticket, you'll have to visit somewhere that sells tickets
for cash, such as an airline ticket office or travel agent. To check
in, you can probably use an airline kiosk and key in the reservation
number, or failing that, check in at the counter along with everyone
else.


Just like now!

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In message Tom Peel
wrote:

Does this mean the end of air travel for someone who doesn't have a
credit card and a PC?

No, why would it? You can buy an e-ticket over the phone, and pay via
Western Union on AA already (and quite possibly others, I've never
tried. But then I have a credit card, printer, and whatever other
goodies I need)

People need to get over the concept that the piece of paper in their
hand has some meaning. It doesn't. It hasn't for a long time now.

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