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The Luxury lines (SilverSeas, Seabourn, Radisson Seven Seas, Cyrstal) are
bringing their price levels down in an attempt to attract those (possibly like you) who are no longer happy on the mass market lines, and who are willing to go up to a new price point to find the cruise experience they're looking for. If you don't like what's happened to the cruise lines you used to enjoy, that's understandable... but maybe that simply means it's time to try some lines you may not have considered sailing before. That is why I have moved from HAL and Princess to Crystal. I plan to try Silver Seas. Adjusted for inflation, the price of the luxury lines is often less than what I paid for mass market lines in the 1980s. |
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Cruise Crazy wrote:
I enjoy the good changes and ignore those I don't like as much as possible. ~~DORIS~~ call me Pollyanna Good attitude, Doris. Howie |
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Surfer E2468 wrote:
changed,in cruising not for the better,and the younger generation has no respect for themselves,or their elders,not all but a larger % of them. Surfer e2468 You've painted a whole generation with a pretty broad brush, here. Can you be more specific about this? What would cause you to say that an individual has no respect for him/herself, no less a whole generation of individuals? And what do you mean about not having respect for their elders? Please be specific, here. Thank you. Howie |
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Dick, don't forget that 52 wks ago people were still recovering from the
terrorist fears and coming out of a recession. Today people are much more comfortable traveling and have the financial means to do so. The share price a yr ago was effected by those factors as well as the war fears. |
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"Dick Goldhaber" wrote in message ...
And yet the stockholders of the two major players, Carnival and Royal Caribbean, have done extremely well in spite of all of the builds and price cutting. Over the past 52 weeks CCL stock has gone from $31 a share to $47, and RCL has done even better, rising from $22 a share to $47. -- Is being primarily geared to stockholder value really what fuels the nature of products in producing a homogeny of products and values? Seems to be what it all boils down to. Ben S. DG in Cherry Hill, NJ "StephenM" wrote in message news:bXnEc.944044$oR5.667116@pd7tw3no... Kuki, I think you are right on the mark with this assessment. The major cruise lines are all competing at a lower cost level (with more push for on-board revenue). However, SilverSeas, Seabourn, Radisson Seven Seas, Cyrstal are all available at about the same real cost as my first Princess cruise in the 1980's. Stephen "kuki" wrote in message news:2fmEc.943148$oR5.231751@pd7tw3no... The Luxury lines (SilverSeas, Seabourn, Radisson Seven Seas, Cyrstal) are bringing their price levels down in an attempt to attract those (possibly like you) who are no longer happy on the mass market lines, and who are willing to go up to a new price point to find the cruise experience they're looking for. Take the value of the $ you were paying for a cruise in the late 80s and early 90s, convert it to today's dollar; add in the $ value of the cost of gratuities, alcohol etc which are included in the luxury line cost... add perhaps $300 - 500 /person... and you can sail on one of the luxury lines, from 150 - 700 passengers, top quality food & service, and ports many of the large ships can't visit. Regards, Kuki Features Editor http://cruisemates.com Internet Cruise Magazine Fun and Friendship= http://www.cruisemates.com/articles/CMcruise |
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Odysseus wrote in message news:SbpEc.1951$7t3.1739@attbi_s51...
The Luxury lines (SilverSeas, Seabourn, Radisson Seven Seas, Cyrstal) are bringing their price levels down in an attempt to attract those (possibly like you) who are no longer happy on the mass market lines, and who are willing to go up to a new price point to find the cruise experience they're looking for. If you don't like what's happened to the cruise lines you used to enjoy, that's understandable... but maybe that simply means it's time to try some lines you may not have considered sailing before. That is why I have moved from HAL and Princess to Crystal. I plan to try Silver Seas. Adjusted for inflation, the price of the luxury lines is often less than what I paid for mass market lines in the 1980s. My position is not a personal one or a mass market vs. luxury one. It is more of recognizing oversaturation. The port situation will be what it will be and the ports, reacting to the loads of people coming off of ships, will change their character. It's in line with things like --too many "reality" shows: at one point there were too many talk shows. Talk shows have faded out. At one point too many game shows modeled on "Who wants to be a Millionare" were broadcasted. To top the model shows, the subsequent shows became more sensational, flashy, and ultimately, tacky. There is a point where oversaturation is recognized and rejected, or simply goes out of fashion, and then people's interest go elsewhere. If it doesn't go out of fashion it then has a danger of becoming a stagnant, run-of-the-mill entity losing its vibrancy. Growing in size, but not necessarily scope. Some ports resemble picnic areas where bus loads of people get out to go to campgrounds. That's where I'm going when I say cruising is becoming tacky. The nature of ports, the nature of travel, all of this will take on a certain amount of volume characteristics. Doesn't matter whether you get out of a luxury ship, premium ship, or mainstream ship. There is a principle being missed here. Some measure of exclusivity, not necessarily priced-based but volume-based, can be a most desired quality, and one that makes a product or lifestyle stand out from others. I fully realize it may not be the strongest money-making business model. Ben S. |
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Our first cruise was in 1995 so we are rookies. But we have seen lots of
change. The ships are bigger with more passengers. It must cost less per passenger to haul more people. The saddest thing to me is the desire to be casual. There was a lengthy discussion here the other day about someone who did not want to pack a jacket. Dressing up is part of the fun and excitement on a cruise. I remember when they would request that on formal nights, everyone remain formal throughout the ship for the entire evening. Now people get into their casual clothes right after dinner or they go to the buffet dressed like beach bums. I call it the dumbing down of cruising. But we are still hooked. Don "Benjamin Smith" wrote in message om... Anyone else turned off by the growth of the cruise industry? I was quite excited by the newbuilds and growth of the industry in the mid to late 1990s, but I'm not into most of the newbuilds, since around the turn of the century. I'm not into the figures about the growing industry, the oversaturation of ships at ports, the tacky tourist feel that's becoming part of Alaska's ports. I feel that a once special vacation has turned not only ordinary, but a bit tacky. I'm not trying to be contrarian, I just believe that often too much of a good thing is not a good thing. "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." ---Yogi Berra Ben S. |
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