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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
mtravelkay writes
Try that approach at Heathrow and you'l get the same response. Not all the time. I've sometimes found immigration officers at LHR to be extremely reasonable. This event doesn't happen "all of the time" in the US either. The journalist had been permitted in for 10 years. This kind of inconsistency can be something of a problem. At LHR I've known people to be allowed entry who probably didn't deserve it. Equally people with all the correct documents are sometimes denied entry. Since the journalist didn't have the correct visa, I wonder why the airline agreed to carry him? If someone is denied entry at LHR, where would they normally be held pending their return flight? -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk/ |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
Simon Elliott wrote:
mtravelkay writes Try that approach at Heathrow and you'l get the same response. Not all the time. I've sometimes found immigration officers at LHR to be extremely reasonable. This event doesn't happen "all of the time" in the US either. The journalist had been permitted in for 10 years. This kind of inconsistency can be something of a problem. At LHR I've known people to be allowed entry who probably didn't deserve it. Equally people with all the correct documents are sometimes denied entry. Since the journalist didn't have the correct visa, I wonder why the airline agreed to carry him? I suspect the airline thought he was traveling for reasons permitted by the Visa Waiver Program. If someone is denied entry at LHR, where would they normally be held pending their return flight? In a secure location, I would guess. |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
"Keith Willshaw" wrote
semiretired wrote You think it is clever to lock up with common criminals a journalist from the most important Sunday newspaper of the USA's principal ally at a time like this? I think its rather obvious to anyone , especially a journalist that the US was tightening the enforcement of visa regulations. I work for the UK branch of an American company and around a year ago we were advised that the previously common practise of sending people on short term assignments under the visa waiver program would no longer be accepted. The more rigid enforcement os entry rules is scarcely a secret, its been a topic of conversation on this newsgroup for at least 18 months. Keith After his gratuitous and totally unnecessary ritual public humiliation is this Sunday Times journalist still going to love the USA - or will personal experience make him hate America? |
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mtravelkay wrote
semiretired wrote: mtravelkay wrote The journalist was attempting to enter the US on the Visa Waiver program to do work that was not permitted by the VWP and that required a visa. He indicated he has been entering without a visa for 10 years, so I guess he thought he had right to better treatment than the people of other nationalities he wrote about. The solution is quite simple. When traveling to a foreign country, make sure you know what kind of visa is required. You think it is clever to lock up with common criminals a journalist from the most important Sunday newspaper of the USA's principal ally at a time like this? Think again! It wasn't clever, but fair to treat him as other people that violate immigration laws. As the journalist himself indicated, there were people of other natioanlitiies present that had also violated immigration laws and it appears they were treated as he was. It sounds like he thought he should get special treatment for his violation. The people he was locked up with were "illegals" IIRC - trying to stay in the US. The purpose of his own visit was to speak to somebody, write about it and then go home. His ritual public humiliation was grotesque, unnecessary and stupid. |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
"Sjoerd" wrote in message
... The OP is a British guy, so he is from a country that Bush himself calls "America's best friend". And he is treated like a criminal? Shame on the US government. Sjoerd That could well be the case because he IS a criminal. ;-) Ain't justice a bitch? Or are you under the impression that there are no criminals in the U.K.? KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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wrote in message om... After his gratuitous and totally unnecessary ritual public humiliation is this Sunday Times journalist still going to love the USA - or will personal experience make him hate America? He ought to learn the lesson that laws apply to journalists too. A great many of that breed seem to consider themselves above such matters as legality. Personally I dont believe journalists should receive special treatment. Keith |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
Keith Willshaw wrote: wrote in message om... After his gratuitous and totally unnecessary ritual public humiliation is this Sunday Times journalist still going to love the USA - or will personal experience make him hate America? He ought to learn the lesson that laws apply to journalists too. A great many of that breed seem to consider themselves above such matters as legality. Personally I dont believe journalists should receive special treatment. And, I am a bit confused about why the subject line indicates "tourists" were "imprisoned". He was not a "tourist", much less "tourists". He was in the US doing a job for which a visa is required. He didn't have the visa and was detained until he could be returned to the UK. At no point did he ever say he was held past the time he could get a flight back. |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
Keith Willshaw wrote:
wrote: After his gratuitous and totally unnecessary ritual public humiliation is this Sunday Times journalist still going to love the USA - or will personal experience make him hate America? He ought to learn the lesson that laws apply to journalists too. A great many of that breed seem to consider themselves above such matters as legality. Personally I dont believe journalists should receive special treatment. Special treatment like requiring a visa nobody else needs? miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu |
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VISA Cops Imprison Innocent UK Tourists
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:16:09 +0100, Simon Elliott
wrote: If someone is denied entry at LHR, where would they normally be held pending their return flight? If one is available, ie they're are not all full, an immigration detention cell at the airport. Failing that an immigration detention centre nearby and if no space there, their passport and other travel documents are taken and they are told to report back to immigration at a set time the next day. -- Lansbury www.uk-air.net FAQs for the alt.travel.uk.air newsgroup |
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