Jet Blue

The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.

On Feb 17, 8:10 am, "Mike" wrote:
The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.


I'm guessing it's part what you said and partly the origination of the
inbound planes..... ??

Mike wrote:


The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.


What a stupid question...

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Mike wrote:


The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American
could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.


What a stupid question...

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Best
Greg

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On Feb 17, 8:10 am, "Mike" wrote:
The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American
could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.


I'm guessing it's part what you said and partly the origination of the
inbound planes..... ??

JetBlue is saying the Port Authority was running just one runway at Kennedy
at least through Thursday. After observing what happened at Newark from
Wednesday to Thursday, I have to say that's perfectly understandable.

JetBlue is saying the Port Authority was running just one runway at Kennedy
at least through Thursday. After observing what happened at Newark from
Wednesday to Thursday, I have to say that's perfectly understandable.

Jetblue should have never let that aircraft be boarded if it knew that the
odds were next to nil that it would be able to take off within reasonable
time. If it knew that JFK was operating under very limited throughput, it
should have been realistic about how many of its flights would be allowed
to take off.

You cannot fault JFK for having limited operations during a snow event.
You *might* fault JFK for not giving airlines a realistic assesment of
current capabilities and giving each airline a number of take off slots per
hour and letting the airline then cancel any flight which cannot take off
during that period. But I don't know what JFK told and didn't tell airlines.

"Nobody" wrote in message
...
JetBlue is saying the Port Authority was running just one runway at
Kennedy at least through Thursday. After observing what happened at
Newark from Wednesday to Thursday, I have to say that's perfectly
understandable.

Jetblue should have never let that aircraft be boarded if it knew that the
odds were next to nil that it would be able to take off within reasonable
time. If it knew that JFK was operating under very limited throughput, it
should have been realistic about how many of its flights would be allowed
to take off.

You cannot fault JFK for having limited operations during a snow event.
You *might* fault JFK for not giving airlines a realistic assesment of
current capabilities and giving each airline a number of take off slots
per hour and letting the airline then cancel any flight which cannot take
off during that period. But I don't know what JFK told and didn't tell
airlines.

There might be other factors at work. In spite of being the largest carrier
at Kennedy, JetBlue might well have been a victim of the longstanding
operations preferences for international flights, especially for those to
and from Europe.

Sancho Panza wrote:
There might be other factors at work. In spite of being the largest carrier
at Kennedy, JetBlue might well have been a victim of the longstanding
operations preferences for international flights, especially for those to
and from Europe.

Then:

JFK telling Jetblue:

From 13:00 to 14:00, we'll let 2 of your flighst leave
From 14:00 to 15:00, we'll let 4 of your flights leave
etc etc

Airlines operate on fixed schedules. JFK would know excactly how many
aircraft movements to expect each hour, how many of those are intl vs
domestic, what equipment is being used etc.

I fact, that information is probably available to all carriers within JFK
and each carrier should have seen the writing on the wall and realise that
with limited aircraft movements, only a certain % of flighst would be able
to depart.

Now, if JFK did tell Jetblue that this flight would be allowed to depart
between X and Y hours, then JFK should have honoured this and allowed the
aircraft to queue with same priority once it had left the gate.

On Feb 17, 8:10 am, "Mike" wrote:
The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.

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Looks like the mandated rest schedule came into play.........

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...c=66&type=qcna

http://tinyurl.com/33jkgb

Snip:

By Dane Hamilton

NEW YORK, Feb 18 (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways Inc. (JBLU.O: Quote,
Profile , Research), which was forced to cancel nearly a quarter of
its flights this holiday weekend after last week's ice storm in New
York, said on Sunday it expects to return to a normal schedule by
Tuesday.

But it may take the low-cost airline a long time to regain its
reputation after suffering harsh criticism from thousands of stranded
travelers since the storm struck Feb. 14.

The airline admitted it didn't act swiftly enough to cancel flights
after the storm struck and threw federally mandated air crew work-time
schedules into disarray, resulting in massive flight cancellations at
the start of a high-volume holiday period.

Mike wrote:

The real question goes beyond the JFK weather. As of yesterday Jet Blue
cancelled 50 flights. American cancelled less than a dozen. What nobody
seems to address is what were the delays with the other airlines? If Jet
Blue and American exceeded those other lines, even allowing for route
destinations to some degree, it would seem that JetBlue and American could
have something wrong with either their aircraft or ground operations.

JetBlue has a far higher percentage of its planes on routes to/from JFK.