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Old October 18th, 2005, 07:58 AM
james
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Ancient walls and their dunce-cap towers conjure up a romantic notion
that is as compelling as it is completely baseless. I mean, we're
talking defensive structures meant to keep the invading hordes of
sniveling, stinky, garbage-launching barbarians at bay--hardly a
romantic notion, you have to admit. Still, I'll admit to a rather
intense attraction to walled cities myself. I'll go even further and
say that medieval walled cities are quite nice to see and a real
pleasure to walk on or around.

So, below I've selected the best preserved walled cities in Europe to
visit--and even to have romantic notions about if you wish.

Lucca, Italy
Ah, Lucca. Lucca is surrounded entirely by 16th century walls. In the
19th century, trees were planted and now the ramparts can be walked or
cycled. It's approximately three miles around the oval; you can walk it
or rent a bike and pedal around.

Rhodes, Greece
The Medieval walled City of Rhodes (pop. 6000) is surrounded by
medieval walls with seven gates, a moat and castle. The Knights of
Saint John found safe haven inside the Rhodes walls in 1309 when they
were booted from the Holy Land.

York, England
York has the longest and best-preserved town walls in England,
estimated as weighing 100,000 metric tons. The walls are 3.4 kilometers
long and there are five main "bars" or gateways and 45 towers. There
are also the famous York ginnels--fifty or so little thoroughfares
within the city walls--medieval short-cuts you can use to explore the
city as if you were running from (or towards) trouble in the big, mean
streets.

Berlin, Germany
Ok, the walls aren't medieval, romantic, or even still standing. But
they're important in the scheme of history we remember, so Berlin has
to be included.

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Old October 18th, 2005, 08:10 AM
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"james" writes:

So, below I've selected the best preserved walled cities in Europe to
visit--and even to have romantic notions about if you wish.


Lucca, Italy; Rhodes, Greece; York, England; Berlin, Germany


No mention of Rothenburg(Tauber), Germany?

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Old October 18th, 2005, 08:28 AM
Jens Arne Maennig
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james wrote:

Berlin, Germany
Ok, the walls aren't medieval, romantic, or even still standing. But
they're important in the scheme of history we remember, so Berlin has
to be included.


http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...adtmauer.shtml

You must be kidding.

Jens
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Old October 18th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Tim C.
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:10:25 +1000, Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:

"james" writes:

So, below I've selected the best preserved walled cities in Europe to
visit--and even to have romantic notions about if you wish.


Lucca, Italy; Rhodes, Greece; York, England; Berlin, Germany


No mention of Rothenburg(Tauber), Germany?


Best "preserved" Rothenburg o.d.T. isn't. Best "restored" it almost
certainly is.
It's impressive, but I found the atmosphere to be more of a living museum,
"on display", rather than a preserved, lived-in city.

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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:00 AM
Tom Peel
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Jens Arne Maennig wrote:
james wrote:


Berlin, Germany
Ok, the walls aren't medieval, romantic, or even still standing. But
they're important in the scheme of history we remember, so Berlin has
to be included.



http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...adtmauer.shtml

You must be kidding.

Jens



I think he is probably referring to
http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...er/index.shtml

T.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Jens Arne Maennig
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Tim C. wrote:

Best "preserved" Rothenburg o.d.T. isn't. Best "restored" it almost
certainly is.


If the USAF 386. Bombardement Group wouldn't have dropped 9 tons of
bombs over Rothenburg on March 31, 1945, a lot less restoration would
have been necessary.

It's impressive, but I found the atmosphere to be more of a living
museum, "on display", rather than a preserved, lived-in city.


It's tolerable in late fall, before the Christmas market starts. You
will even meet some locals at that time of the year.

Jens
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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:06 AM
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Tim C. wrote:

Best "preserved" Rothenburg o.d.T. isn't. Best "restored" it almost
certainly is.


If the USAF 386th Bombardement Group wouldn't have dropped 9 tons of
bombs over Rothenburg on March 31, 1945, a lot less restoration would
have been necessary.

It's impressive, but I found the atmosphere to be more of a living
museum, "on display", rather than a preserved, lived-in city.


It's tolerable in late fall, before the Christmas market starts. You
will even meet some locals at that time of the year.

Jens
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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:20 AM
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:01:42 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig wrote:

Tim C. wrote:

Best "preserved" Rothenburg o.d.T. isn't. Best "restored" it almost
certainly is.


If the USAF 386. Bombardement Group wouldn't have dropped 9 tons of
bombs over Rothenburg on March 31, 1945, a lot less restoration would
have been necessary.


Bloody Americans. Get everywhere. ;-)


It's impressive, but I found the atmosphere to be more of a living
museum, "on display", rather than a preserved, lived-in city.


It's tolerable in late fall, before the Christmas market starts. You
will even meet some locals at that time of the year.


There are people there too? ;-)

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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:42 AM
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:34:15 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:31:18 +0200, "Tim C."
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:10:25 +1000, Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:

"james" writes:

So, below I've selected the best preserved walled cities in Europe to
visit--and even to have romantic notions about if you wish.

Lucca, Italy; Rhodes, Greece; York, England; Berlin, Germany

No mention of Rothenburg(Tauber), Germany?


Best "preserved" Rothenburg o.d.T. isn't. Best "restored" it almost
certainly is.


York walls have also been restored - many times.

It's impressive, but I found the atmosphere to be more of a living museum,
"on display", rather than a preserved, lived-in city.


It was better 30 years ago. Too many tourists have ruined it.


I was there in 1987-ish when I lived in Stuttgart. If it's worse now I
don't want to go back.

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Old October 18th, 2005, 10:27 AM
Jens Arne Maennig
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Martin wrote:

The last time I was there was Christmas shop open all the year.


Well, the Wohlfahrts (http://www.wohlfahrt.com/) are certainly
professional business people.

Jens
 




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