Wales is a country

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I've lived in England since I was two; I have no idea whether or not
Wales
is an independent country either.

I'd keep that to myself if I were you.

Why? I find this whole idea of a country within a country confusing
(ie.

I think it was the not knowing that it (isn't) independent bit, that you
should be quite about!

_Quite_!

Quiet :-(

tim

On 2 Feb, 11:24, Martin wrote:
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In the *1950s I was taught at school that Wales was a principality not a
country.

Principalities can also be countries though surely? Monaco?

possibly.

Principality and country are not mutually exclusive states [sic].

That's why I said possibly. )

The Wales website stresses that Wales is not a principality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales

"The term principality is sometimes used in a modern sense to denote all of
Wales, but this has no constitutional basis. The Principality of Wales only
existed in the northern and western parts of what is now Wales between the 13th
and 16th centuries; no principality covering the whole of Wales was ever
created. Although the title Prince of Wales (together with Duke of Cornwall) has
been a title traditionally granted to the heir apparent to the reigning monarch
of the United Kingdom, it confers no responsibilities for government in
Wales.[18]
The Principality of Wales did not use the modern flag of Wales (which was
officialised in 1959). However historians usually agree that a flag with a
dragon variant was in wide usage in Wales (and England before the Anglo-Saxon
conquest) since post-Roman times. The House of Tudor added the green and white
field some time before or after the annexation of this state as it was their own
personal livery colours."

http://www.famouswelsh.com/13_Articl..._of_Wales.html

http://www.walesworldnation.com/serv...?show=nav.8248

"11. Is Wales a Country or a Principality?

In strict constitutional terms, Wales is not a Principality. *By definition, a
‘Principality’ is a monarchical feudatory or sovereign state whose ruling
monarch is a prince or a princess with an executive role in administering the
state. ..."

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So my hometown of Caerphilly (a few miles north of Cardiff) has always
been English?
Try again! :-))
Must be why so many in the south still speak Welsh as a first
language........

I worked for two years in Newport. I never met anybody who spoke Welsh as a
first language. The ones who could speak Welsh were at GCE O level standard.
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Well, Newport's barely Welsh - Monmouthshire etc.
Try Swansea - you can't escape the Welsh speakers!

Surreyman

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:10:04 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
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On 2 Feb, 11:24, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:17:05 -0800 (PST), Surreyman





wrote:
On 2 Feb, 10:56, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:44:47 +0100, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 10:55:35 +0100, "Tim C." wrote:

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:09:40 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:51:27 +0100, "Tim C." wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:48:16 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
news
In the *1950s I was taught at school that Wales was a principality not a
country.

Principalities can also be countries though surely? Monaco?

possibly.

Principality and country are not mutually exclusive states [sic].

That's why I said possibly. )

The Wales website stresses that Wales is not a principality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales

"The term principality is sometimes used in a modern sense to denote all of
Wales, but this has no constitutional basis. The Principality of Wales only
existed in the northern and western parts of what is now Wales between the 13th
and 16th centuries; no principality covering the whole of Wales was ever
created. Although the title Prince of Wales (together with Duke of Cornwall) has
been a title traditionally granted to the heir apparent to the reigning monarch
of the United Kingdom, it confers no responsibilities for government in
Wales.[18]
The Principality of Wales did not use the modern flag of Wales (which was
officialised in 1959). However historians usually agree that a flag with a
dragon variant was in wide usage in Wales (and England before the Anglo-Saxon
conquest) since post-Roman times. The House of Tudor added the green and white
field some time before or after the annexation of this state as it was their own
personal livery colours."

http://www.famouswelsh.com/13_Articl..._of_Wales.html

http://www.walesworldnation.com/serv...?show=nav.8248

"11. Is Wales a Country or a Principality?

In strict constitutional terms, Wales is not a Principality. *By definition, a
‘Principality’ is a monarchical feudatory or sovereign state whose ruling
monarch is a prince or a princess with an executive role in administering the
state. ..."

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So my hometown of Caerphilly (a few miles north of Cardiff) has always
been English?
Try again! :-))
Must be why so many in the south still speak Welsh as a first
language........

I worked for two years in Newport. I never met anybody who spoke Welsh as a
first language. The ones who could speak Welsh were at GCE O level standard.

Well, Newport's barely Welsh - Monmouthshire etc.
Try Swansea - you can't escape the Welsh speakers!

No thanks, it was wet enough in Newport.

Our first lecture in early September at Swansea, the Swedish cell biology
lecturer, Helga Öpik told us the weather there wasn't as bad as it's made
out to be. "It only rains once a year, from now until the end of August".
She was right. But if you think that was bad, a friend moved to Swansea
from Milford Haven (or Puddlemarsh Upon-Sea as he called it) because
Swansea's weather was better.
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Tim C.

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I had a very wet sailing holiday near Milford Haven.

Your boat was the wrong way up ?
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Tim C.

Well, Newport's barely Welsh - Monmouthshire etc.
Try Swansea - you can't escape the Welsh speakers!

The actual percentage of Welsh speakers (or those with a knowledge of the
Welsh) language) by county / administrative region is as follows:-

Rank Area %

1 Gwynedd 76

2 Anglesey 70

3 Carmarthenshire 64

4 Ceredigion 61

5 Conwy 40

6 Denbighshire 36

7 Powys 30

8 Pembrokeshire 29

9 Neath Port Talbot 29

10 Wrexham 23

11 Swansea 23

12 Flintshire 21

13 Rhondda Cynon Taff 21

14 Bridgend 20

15 Merthyr Tydfil 18

16 Vale of Glamorgan 17

17 Caerphilly 17

18 Cardiff 16

19 Torfaen 15

20 Newport 13

21 Blaenau Gwent 13

22 Monmouthshire 13



Data is taken from Wiki.



Gerry

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:06:07 -0800 (PST), Surreyman wrote in post :
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Try Swansea - you can't escape the Welsh speakers!

When I was there - late 70s - there were'nt as many... or at least they
tended to speak English when out and about. I've been in pubs though where
they speak Welsh as you walk in then all suddenly change to English when
they hear you're English. Remains of the old days when it was more than
frowned upon and regarded as second-class to speak welsh perhaps.

It's much better now, I'm glad to say.
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Tim C.

Do I detect a north/south divide? Would this coincide with the differences
in English rule I wonder?

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Tim C.

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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:06:07 -0800 (PST), Surreyman wrote in post :
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Try Swansea - you can't escape the Welsh speakers!

When I was there - late 70s - there were'nt as many... or at least they
tended to speak English when out and about. I've been in pubs though where
they speak Welsh as you walk in then all suddenly change to English when
they hear you're English. Remains of the old days when it was more than
frowned upon and regarded as second-class to speak welsh perhaps.


If they realize your English they speak only Welsh.
If your in a holiday area and they are in the holiday market they are very
nice to you.
Regards
David

On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:32:37 -0000, David wrote in post :
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If they realize your English they speak only Welsh.

Nowadays, yes. And why not? Back in the 70s it was a different matter ime.

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Tim C.

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:56:56 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:21:23 +0100, "Tim C." wrote:

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:20:15 +0100, Martin wrote in post :
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I had a very wet sailing holiday near Milford Haven.

Your boat was the wrong way up ?

I didn't need to go anywhere near a boat to get wet.

That's what I meant, you should have been under it
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Tim C.