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U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace
U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace
Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. The flight, carrying 278 passengers, returned to Amsterdam, Koster said. He told The Associated Press that on Saturday, a flight without the two listed passengers departed Amsterdam and arrived in Mexico City. "I hope this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident," Koster said. "It's, of course, very frustrating for passengers and crew to be more than 10, 11 hours in the air, to come back where you departed." The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI decided to bar the flight because of security concerns involving certain passengers, said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Andrea McCauley. She would not elaborate. U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. Koster said the two listed passengers -- who he said were not Dutch citizens -- returned to their home countries. Citing privacy concerns, Koster wouldn't disclose any other information about the two passengers. |
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Earl Evleth wrote: U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? What jurisdiction does our government have over either Dutch or Mexican authorities? The flight, carrying 278 passengers, returned to Amsterdam, Koster said. He told The Associated Press that on Saturday, a flight without the two listed passengers departed Amsterdam and arrived in Mexico City. "I hope this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident," Koster said. "It's, of course, very frustrating for passengers and crew to be more than 10, 11 hours in the air, to come back where you departed." The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI decided to bar the flight because of security concerns involving certain passengers, said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Andrea McCauley. She would not elaborate. U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. Koster said the two listed passengers -- who he said were not Dutch citizens -- returned to their home countries. Citing privacy concerns, Koster wouldn't disclose any other information about the two passengers. |
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Earl Evleth wrote: U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? What jurisdiction does our government have over either Dutch or Mexican authorities? The flight, carrying 278 passengers, returned to Amsterdam, Koster said. He told The Associated Press that on Saturday, a flight without the two listed passengers departed Amsterdam and arrived in Mexico City. "I hope this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident," Koster said. "It's, of course, very frustrating for passengers and crew to be more than 10, 11 hours in the air, to come back where you departed." The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI decided to bar the flight because of security concerns involving certain passengers, said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Andrea McCauley. She would not elaborate. U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. Koster said the two listed passengers -- who he said were not Dutch citizens -- returned to their home countries. Citing privacy concerns, Koster wouldn't disclose any other information about the two passengers. |
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Earl Evleth wrote: U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? The US and other governments routinely share passenger manifests. This is true even if the flight is simply over - flying US airspace. What jurisdiction does our government have over either Dutch or Mexican authorities? It doesn't - but the flight was going to overfly US airspace, which we *do* control. I'm glad this happened - apparently someone was doing their job.... -- Best Greg |
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Evelyn wrote:
But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? Evidently you did not read this line: U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. -- Marvin & Sue |
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Earl Evleth wrote: U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? What jurisdiction does our government have over either Dutch or Mexican authorities? The flight, carrying 278 passengers, returned to Amsterdam, Koster said. He told The Associated Press that on Saturday, a flight without the two listed passengers departed Amsterdam and arrived in Mexico City. "I hope this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident," Koster said. "It's, of course, very frustrating for passengers and crew to be more than 10, 11 hours in the air, to come back where you departed." The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI decided to bar the flight because of security concerns involving certain passengers, said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Andrea McCauley. She would not elaborate. U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. Koster said the two listed passengers -- who he said were not Dutch citizens -- returned to their home countries. Citing privacy concerns, Koster wouldn't disclose any other information about the two passengers. The flight needed to transit thru US airspace to get to Mexico. The US government can refuse access to US airspace. |
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Earl Evleth wrote: U.S. bars KLM flight entry into airspace Names of 2 passengers appear on 'no-fly' terrorist list Sunday, April 10, 2005 Posted: 2:21 PM EDT (1821 GMT) (CNN) -- U.S. authorities refused to allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States, officials said Sunday. Flight 685 from Amsterdam to Mexico City was denied permission to fly south across the Canada-U.S. border on Friday because the names of two passengers aboard were included on a U.S. "no-fly" terrorist watch list, KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. But how would the U.S. "authorities" KNOW, if both the origin and destinations of the flight were not in the U.S.? What jurisdiction does our government have over either Dutch or Mexican authorities? The flight, carrying 278 passengers, returned to Amsterdam, Koster said. He told The Associated Press that on Saturday, a flight without the two listed passengers departed Amsterdam and arrived in Mexico City. "I hope this was a once-in-a-lifetime incident," Koster said. "It's, of course, very frustrating for passengers and crew to be more than 10, 11 hours in the air, to come back where you departed." The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI decided to bar the flight because of security concerns involving certain passengers, said Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Andrea McCauley. She would not elaborate. U.S. anti-terrorism laws require airlines to provide passenger manifests to the U.S. government before their planes enter U.S. airspace. Koster said the two listed passengers -- who he said were not Dutch citizens -- returned to their home countries. Citing privacy concerns, Koster wouldn't disclose any other information about the two passengers. The flight needed to transit thru US airspace to get to Mexico. The US government can refuse access to US airspace. |
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On 11/04/05 4:42, in article ,
"Frank F. Matthews" wrote: The flight needed to transit thru US airspace to get to Mexico. The US government can refuse access to US airspace. As I posted, that is not the issue. The issue comes down to refusing for a "guess and a golly". I personally don't trust the manner in which the "no fly list" is applied. It is secret and therefore subject to abuse. And has been used abusively in the past. Earl |
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