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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for human rights and international law. Like Bulgaria? Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right". B; |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:25:58 +0100, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote: [] Racism probably has something to do with it. EU members are opposed to Turkey joining, with Hungary, UK, and the Iberian peninsula being more supportive- Hungary is the only one that edges over 50% support. That could likely change in the next few years though, in Turkey's favour. The real sticking points may not even be Cyprus- Austria supports the entry of Turkey even _less_ than Cyprus (10% as opposed to 15%) and they've promised to put it to a national referendum. France and Germany support the entry of Turkey even less than Greece! If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU. Well, the anti-EU people would have to do a big job of convincing the 'don't knows'. Recent polls show that 33% think the EU is a 'good thing'- 25% a 'bad thing.' Most people don't care much either way. I think a poll would confirm support, though not by a big margin. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
Martin wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:25:58 +0100, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote: [] Racism probably has something to do with it. EU members are opposed to Turkey joining, with Hungary, UK, and the Iberian peninsula being more supportive- Hungary is the only one that edges over 50% support. That could likely change in the next few years though, in Turkey's favour. The real sticking points may not even be Cyprus- Austria supports the entry of Turkey even _less_ than Cyprus (10% as opposed to 15%) and they've promised to put it to a national referendum. France and Germany support the entry of Turkey even less than Greece! If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU. Well, the anti-EU people would have to do a big job of convincing the 'don't knows'. Recent polls show that 33% think the EU is a 'good thing'- 25% a 'bad thing.' Most people Most _other_ people, that is. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:14:17 GMT, "William Black" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for human rights and international law. Like Bulgaria? LOL SNAP Let's be brutally honest here. France and Germany don't want Turkey in the EC, mainly because a Muslim state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever. The UK does, mainly because a Muslim state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever... Now, the newer EC states don't want Turkey in either, mainly because Turks are brown and Muslim, but they don't like Germany either on the grounds that Germany invaded a couple of times. Everyone else seems to have got over the 'German' thing and have 'Don't mention the war' posted up in big letters in the training schools of their various foreign ministries but the old ex-Warsaw pact countries are a touch antediluvian in their view of the world. So it's a straight fight in Eastern Europe between the people who don't like the Germans and the people who don't like brown people... Mind you, at least they're not blaming the Jews... But if things get bad they will be... The only reason they're in the EC at all is because that was the price of getting them 'on side' with NATO. Oh yes... And providing somewhere for Western European farmers to buy big cheap farms as they're all being built on in the West to accommodate all those immigrants who want decent wages and conditions... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote: On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for human rights and international law. Like Bulgaria? Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right". Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet, Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song Contest. B; |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
On 25 jun, 14:40, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:37:29 +0100, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote: Martin wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:25:58 +0100, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote: [] Racism probably has something to do with it. EU members are opposed to Turkey joining, with Hungary, UK, and the Iberian peninsula being more supportive- Hungary is the only one that edges over 50% support. That could likely change in the next few years though, in Turkey's favour. The real sticking points may not even be Cyprus- Austria supports the entry of Turkey even _less_ than Cyprus (10% as opposed to 15%) and they've promised to put it to a national referendum. France and Germany support the entry of Turkey even less than Greece! If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU. Well, the anti-EU people would have to do a big job of convincing the 'don't knows'. Recent polls show that 33% think the EU is a 'good thing'- 25% a 'bad thing.' Most people don't care much either way. I think a poll would confirm support, though not by a big margin. Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is anti EU. You say that like it's a bad thing. B; |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
William Black wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:14:17 GMT, "William Black" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for human rights and international law. Like Bulgaria? LOL SNAP Let's be brutally honest here. France and Germany don't want Turkey in the EC, mainly because a Muslim state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever. The UK does, mainly because a Muslim state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever... Now, the newer EC states don't want Turkey in either, mainly because Turks are brown and Muslim, but they don't like Germany either on the grounds that Germany invaded a couple of times. Spain and Portugal are hardly newer EU states, and their support isn't far behind the UK. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
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On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote: On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for human rights and international law. Like Bulgaria? Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right". Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet, Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song Contest. North African countries, Jordan and the Lebanon are eligible to apply too. -- (*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website "Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient." Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007 |
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17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey
"Martin" wrote in message ... Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is anti EU. Odd that isn't it. Because everyone you talk to is all in favour of joining the Euro, getting rid of passport controls to Europe and all the rest of it. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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