With The World Environment Day Conference.....

Stan de SD wrote:

He has definitely come across as an idot...

So have you. What's an "idot"?

Stan de SD wrote:

Blather... I have noticed the same mindless tactic by Lefty Liberals over
the last two decades: accuse others of racism when you can't win your
argument on fact and logic alone...

…only based on what Righty Neanderthals say in these public places.

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
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"Stan de SD" enscribed:

For starters, merit isn't "distributed" like a welfare check, I haven't
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stated said that all of the individuals in one group are inherently
superior
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to another, nor have I argued that race, etc. should even be USED as a


criteria for hiring. What I HAVE said, which is TRUE (that you choose to
ignore anyway) IS that there ARE significant differences in tangible
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qualities (education, skills, literacy) when people are characterized
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racial or ethnic lines. Nobody argues that the reason blacks predominate
in
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You can't go two sentences without contradicting yourself.

And you can't read 2 sentences without showing that you are completely
clueless as to the difference between examining individual abilities and
statistical characteristics of distinct groups. Acknowledging that there are
smart, hard-working, educated, qualified, and deserving people AS WELL AS
dumb, lazy, uneducated, unqualified, and undeserving people in EVERY race
and ethic group is not incompatible with the realization that individual
characteristics in each group may NOT be distributed the same way, and
environmental/cultural circumstances are clearly as much of a factor as race
and genetics. In a society where we treat people as INDIVIDUALS and assess
their qualifications according w/o concern for their race or ethnicity, this
is not an issue. Only in the socialist/collectivist mindset with its
emphasis on so-called "group rights" does this create an inherent problem.
Maybe if you opened up your mind and thought about this a bit instead of
reflexively spouting your PC rhetoric, you might understand the difference,
but as closed-minded and willfully ignorant as you have shown yourself to be
so far, I don't have a whole lot of hope...

"sechumlib" wrote in message
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In article . net,
"Stan de SD" wrote:

Bull-****ing-****, you lying asshole. You have accused me of racism
and/or
bigotry in at least 50% of your posts in this thread.

Isn't it amazing how refined and moderate the remarks of these far-right
types are?

Isn't it amazing how blinded liberals can be to the excesses of their own?
DC has spent an entire thread accusing everyone else of being a "racist" w/
any substantiation, and we're just supposed to accept it? Let me extend the
invitation I made to DC to go **** himself to you as well...

"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote:

"Merlin Dorfman" wrote in message
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In ba.transportation Stan de SD wrote:

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Why do you think blacks are less "interested" in science and
technology? Is it genetic?

Many African-American academics and commentators have already
answered
this,
and believe it is a cultural factor. Try reading "Race and Culture"
and
"Black Rednecks, White Liberals" by Dr. Thomas Sowell for his take on
this
issue.

Hmmm, the views of (one) upper-class black seem to have a lot
of influence on you.

Yes, the views of intelligent, successful African-Americans who pulled
themselves up from working-class backgrounds and made something of their
lives does have a lot more influence on me that unsuccessful ones or
their
professional apologists. Is there something wrong with that? Or should
we
adapt the PC logic that successful black people can't have any more
insight
on the keys to success than unsuccessful ones? :O(

Did Sowell pull himself up from a workking-class background

Go read his column he wrote for his 75th birthday:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t...20050630.shtml

THOMAS SOWELL
Thomas Sowell was born in North Carolina and grew up in Harlem. As with many
others in his neighborhood, he left home early and did not finish high
school. The next few years were difficult ones, but eventually he joined the
Marine Corps and became a photographer in the Korean War. After leaving the
service, Sowell entered Harvard University, worked a part-time job as a
photographer and studied the science that would become his passion and
profession: economics.

After graduating magna cum laude from Harvard University (1958), he went on
to receive his master's in economics from Columbia University (1959) and a
doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago (1968).

In the early '60s, Sowell held jobs as an economist with the Department of
Labor and AT&T. But his real interest was in teaching and scholarship. In
1965, at Cornell University, he began the first of many professorships. His
other teaching assignments include Rutgers University, Amherst University,
Brandeis University and the University of California at Los Angeles, where
he taught in the early '70s and also from 1984 to 1989.

Sowell has published a large volume of writing. His dozen books, as well as
numerous articles and essays, cover a wide range of topics, from classic
economic theory to judicial activism, from civil rights to choosing the
right college. Moreover, much of his writing is considered
ground-breaking -- work that will outlive the great majority of scholarship
done today.

Though Sowell had been a regular contributor to newspapers in the late '70s
and early '80s, he did not begin his career as a newspaper columnist until
1984. George F. Will's writing, says Sowell, proved to him that someone
could say something of substance in so short a space (750 words). And
besides, writing for the general public enables him to address the heart of
issues without the smoke and mirrors that so often accompany academic
writing.

In 1990, he won the prestigious Francis Boyer Award, presented by The
American Enterprise Institute.

Currently Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute in Stanford,
Calif

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BIOS/cbsowell.html

or did he have a middle-class upbringing and all the advantages?

Thomas Sowell was born a poor/working-class black who joined the Marine
Corps, went back to school and pulled himself up.

Or did he benefit from Affirmative Action and other race-based
programs? (I find it ironic that Clarence Thomas would still be
picking cotton in South Carolina but for Affirmative Action.)

Ah, yes, nothing like the consedcending racism of liberals who assume that
no minority is able to make it without their own divine intervention. In
that sense you're no better than DC, flogging the idea that the destiny of
blacks and other minorities is solely depended on the good/bad will of the
white folks around them. How lame... :O(

But, indeed, why should the ethnic distribution of college
students
within
specific majors match the ethnic distribution of the general
population?
Why must everyone like to study what American WASP culture likes
to
study?

So it's not genetic, it's cultural...blacks are interested in
rap music and sports, while American WASPS (not to mention Asians,
Catholics, Jews, and other groups) are interested in things that
have a much better chance of leading to well-paying jobs. And you
are OK with that?

The fact that you and I may not be OK with that doesn't seem to
affect
the
fact that a noticeable proportion of those people see it as just
fine.
Again, that's not to say we shouldn't try to change the situation,
but
do we
need to continually accept the blame for it?

I'm not blaming you for it, Stan. I'm not asking you to humble
yourself or wear a hair shirt or flagellate yourself. I'm just asking
if you think this is a problem that is causing serious problems for
the country, and will continue to do so, and whether some effort to
remedy it is in order.

I simply don't advocate the failed policies of conventional PC liberal
thinking. How hard is that to understand?

But you don't advocate anything else except ignoring the
problem, as far as I can tell.


Lefty Liberal definition of "ignoring the problem" = not embracing their
solutions.

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
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"Jack May" enscribed:

Real world statistics are seldom Gaussian (Bell curve) Most real world

Switch and bait. You're substituting one distribution for the one being
discussed.

You're way too stupid to participate in this discussion, DC. Isn't there a
Disney or Sesame Street NG where you could be annoying others that would
function more at your level of intellectual performance?

"Stan de SD" enscribed:

Blather... I have noticed the same mindless tactic by Lefty Liberals over
the last two decades: accuse others of racism when you can't win your
argument on fact and logic alone... :O(

What's that have to do with you? You keep ranting against fact and logic and mathematics because it exposes your hypocrisy.

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Feh. Mad as heck.

"Stan de SD" enscribed:

And you can't read 2 sentences without showing that you are completely
clueless as to the difference between examining individual abilities and
statistical characteristics of distinct groups. Acknowledging that there are
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smart, hard-working, educated, qualified, and deserving people AS WELL AS
dumb, lazy, uneducated, unqualified, and undeserving people in EVERY race
and ethic group is not incompatible with the realization that individual
characteristics in each group may NOT be distributed the same way, and
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Bigot.

environmental/cultural circumstances are clearly as much of a factor as race
and genetics. In a society where we treat people as INDIVIDUALS and assess
their qualifications according w/o concern for their race or ethnicity, this
is not an issue. Only in the socialist/collectivist mindset with its
emphasis on so-called "group rights" does this create an inherent problem.

Still making excuses for bigots. Aggregates of people do follow predictable
statistical patterns.

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Feh. Mad as heck.

"Stan de SD" enscribed:

"Disgruntled Customer" wrote in message
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"Jack May" enscribed:

Real world statistics are seldom Gaussian (Bell curve) Most real world

Switch and bait. You're substituting one distribution for the one being
discussed.

You're way too stupid to participate in this discussion, DC.

Such rapier wit.

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Feh. Mad as heck.

"sechumlib" wrote in message
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Stan de SD wrote:

He has definitely come across as an idot...

So have you. What's an "idot"?

It's known as a "typoe"... (yes, typo). Never made one yourself?