UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

.....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10

On Aug 23, 5:28*am, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10

The man doesn't think before he speaks, let's others worry about fall
out

"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.

Bill Bonde wrote in
:

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-
b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story
and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the
Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.


This, from the same Bonde who retorts with "Bush isn't
president anymore" and "Why do you keep bringing Bush" every
time Obama is being maligned and his predecessor is mentioned?

Careful there, your famous Double Standards are showing...

Duh what a highly intellectual answer.

"Mitchell Holman" a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : .. .
Bill Bonde wrote in
:

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-
b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story
and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the
Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.


This, from the same Bonde who retorts with "Bush isn't
president anymore" and "Why do you keep bringing Bush" every
time Obama is being maligned and his predecessor is mentioned?

Careful there, your famous Double Standards are showing...

From: Bill Bonde
Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,uk.politics.misc,soc.ret irement
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:08:28 +0100
Subject: UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in
2012?"

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.

Because the country is currently so polarized, every president will be
treated in this fashion by the other party. I wish this were not the case.

Donna Evleth

Donna Evleth wrote:


From: Bill
Organization: X-Privat.Org NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,uk.politics.misc,soc.ret irement
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:08:28 +0100
Subject: UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in
2012?"

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.

Because the country is currently so polarized, every president will be
treated in this fashion by the other party. I wish this were not the case.

Ironically public policy from both parties is not that different. It is
different, so there is a distinction and reason to support one party
over the other, but it's not radically different, not different enough
to claim that one guy supports getting the cattle cars ready to cart off
the other side's rabble rousers to spend time in concentration camps.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
Bill wrote in
:

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"PJ wrote in news:81b465de-2ea0-480f-
b0c7-
:

UK news headline: "Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?"

Published: 9:00PM BST 21 Aug 2010

Excerpts:

"...Obama was elected in 2008 at an extraordinary moment in American
politics. Suddenly, elected to the Senate without serious opposition
in 2004 and without any executive experience, was catapulted into the
White House.

His presidential bid had been based on the power of his life story
and
his ability with the spoken word. Doubtless he was as surprised as
anyone else that he pulled it off. Governing has been altogether more
difficult for him and there are signs he is already tiring of it.

Obama's intervention on the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" issue is a
case in point. There was no need for him to get involved - the
Islamic
community centre two blocks from the 9/11 site is unlikely to get
built and there was no political advantage in his making a
statement...

....he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential
role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a
Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being
sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to
win."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths233g10



If Obama stays out of a political hotpoint he is
"afraid to take a position". If he does take a position
he is "catering to X pressure group".

There is no pleasing some people................

It's a little like how you treated Bush.


This, from the same Bonde who retorts with "Bush isn't
president anymore"

I'm comfortable in claiming that Bush isn't president anymore, Holman.
And I'm comforatable in claiming that you treated Bush *while he was
president if not now* very similarly to the way that Obama, who is
currently president, is being treated.



and "Why do you keep bringing Bush" every
time Obama is being maligned and his predecessor is mentioned?

As I've told you, I'm find with comparing policies and dealing with
them. Bush's policies are relevant today. You are the one who defended
Clinton by insisting that since he wasn't president, he could no longer
be mentioned. Oh, and you endlessly used his penis as both a sword and
shield, we can't forget that even as we wish we could.



Careful there, your famous Double Standards are showing...

It's ironic that you are showing your double standard and I'm pointing
to your double standard and you are projecting it upon me, who has been
utterly consistent in my views regarding Democrat and Republican presidents.

abelard wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:41 +0100, Bill Bonde
wrote:

Ironically public policy from both parties is not that different. It is
different,

i think you wildly underestimate the differences

You'll find that both parties deficit spend, the Democrats doing it with
an extra "Oh crap" stuck on the end. Ultimately that could be the
difference between a meltdown and not so there are real differences, but
they are generally ones of degrees.



so there is a distinction and reason to support one party
over the other, but it's not radically different, not different enough
to claim that one guy supports getting the cattle cars ready to cart off
the other side's rabble rousers to spend time in concentration camps.