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are "insurgents" patriots?
I like to look at the American Revolution.
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
If the House pushed impeachment then you will see civil war in the US. Too many Bush supporters are fed up with the cry babies of the left. All the left understands is violence, look at the way that they are scared to death of the Muslims.... No way, Jose. Americans only bitch and moan. If they were inclined to Civil War it would be happening now over illegal immigration and how the left (and Bush) tell us we are racists because we can no longer stand this invasion by Mexico. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said:
OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
sechumlib wrote:
On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. You're right, of course. What is wrong is the system is inappropriate for today's United States. The people want the ability to recall the president. Had the people had that power, both Clinton and Bush would have been removed from office. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:17:10 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:11:00 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote (in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. That is not what the US Constitution says. It says: the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.� "high crimes and misdemeanors" means whatever a majority of the House of Representatives says it means (See: impeachment of Bill Clinton). I'm not going to get sucked-in to this argument again, but Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury before a grand jury - a felony in every court in the country. The only offenses specifically called out in the Constitution are, as stated above: Treason -- Clearly defined in the Constitution Bribery -- Selling the power of the president Note: Getting caught in a perjury trap is not specified. All other High Crimes and Misdemeanors are not defined. Irrelevant. The law of the land defines those. If a president commits a felony, he CAN be impeached for it, and whether or not he is actually impeached is, of course, up to Congress. You are right in that its not an automatic thing. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
In article ,
"Matthew L. Martin" wrote: Sparrow wrote: Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org One reason not to do this: Dick Cheney. He's almost certainly get to go along for the ride. He's in this stuff deeper than Bush is. -- "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't that interesting?" - George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006 |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:35:46 -0700, ZnU wrote
(in article ): In article , George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Wikipedia has a nice list of potential charges: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...Bush#Rationale s_for_impeachment The ones that potentially involve explicit violations of US law: 1) Warrantless surveillance (violates FISA). 2) Violations of the UN Charter (remember, treaties are US law). 3) Violations of the Geneva Convention (ditto). 4) Commuting Libby's sentence (if done to prevent Libby from turning state's evidence, it represents obstruction of justice). 5) Politicization of the United States attorney offices, in a scheme possibly involving voter suppression and a subsequent coverup. 6) Signing statements (the executive is not allowed to rewrite laws). As of this week, you'll almost certainly be able to add to that willfully ignoring subpoenas lawfully issued by the US Congress. If the political will was there to impeach, any of the above could serve as a constitutionally valid justification. Remember, impeachment doesn't function according to a "reasonable doubt" standard; it functions according to whatever standard Congress wants. [snip] Then why aren't the Democrats instituting impeachment proceedings? Could it be that they feel that having Chaney as Pres would be out of the frying pan and into the fire? |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:32:07 -0700, Tim Adams wrote
(in article ): In article , George Graves wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:03:32 -0700, Sparrow wrote (in article om): Read all about it, he http://Muvy.org OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. You can't impeach a president because you disagree with his policies. What we need in this country is a recall procedure where the people can vote "no confidence" to a sitting administration like they do in Great Britain. Then, the president doesn't need to be guilty of a crime, he just needs to not please the citizenry with his policies. The problem with that is every other month there would be an election since no president seem to last any longer then that before some vocal group disagree with their policies. It seems to work in Great Britain. In England (I don't pretend to understand the particulars) it seems that there must be a set of particulars that must occur before a recall is issued. It would have to be similar here. IOW, some safeguards would need to be in place to avoid the type of capricious recalls that you suggest. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:49:25 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-07 22:34:26 -0400, George Graves said: OK, I'm all for it. What are the charges? Remember, these have to be legitimate charges, instances where he broke US law. Anyone who consider's Clinton's impeachment to have been based on "legitimate charges" is living out in the never-never land of the far right. Anyone who condones perjury in a court of law, by anyone, high or low, has no right to live under a Democratic Republic. That means you, buddy. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:31:38 -0700, sharx35 wrote
(in article up0ki.29707$xk5.29224@edtnps82): "George Graves" wrote in message . net... On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:09:36 -0700, James wrote (in article .com): On Jul 7, 7:03 pm, Sparrow wrote: 39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached. Read all about it, hehttp://Muvy.org The linked article says, "Americans under 30 are far more supportive of impeachment than their elders. Among those youngest adults, 56% believe the President should be impeached and removed from office." America has a bright future. Our youth is smarter and wiser than the older generation. They just don't know (or seem to care about) the law. I wouldn't gloat about that were I you. Agreed. On average, the YOUNGER, the stupider and more ignorant and NAIVE a person is. Minimum age to vote should be 35. That's especially true today where most of our youth are as ignorant as dirt. They were never taught history, they don't know how their own government works, most of them couldn't tell you where either Rhode Island or Russia are located. Our school systems have been so systematically dumbing-down the populace that I have to wonder what they actually do with our kids for the 12 or so years that they have them. The certainly don't seem to teach them anything. |
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