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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rat e England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. My limited experience is that a firm smack in the mouth ends almost all fights. Your limited experience may get you a very nasty surprise in the US. And with me....indeed. I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. Retired? No. I quit. And I used to respond to serious fights that started with a "firm smack in the mouth" and ended with dead people There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... ' Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person. The Notting Hill outrage was a turning point in the British methodology for arming the police and after that numbers of firearms were held in all 'divisional police stations' and some officers at those stations were trained in their use. This system was used until replaced by the current 'Armed Response Unit' policy in 1991. Yes indeed. We are fully aware of the Black and Tans being fully armed as well as the police, with 303s and machine guns Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Jan 21, 6:38*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:13:11 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rat e England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate *21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per *hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a *smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. My limited experience is that a *firm smack in the mouth ends almost all fights. Your limited experience may get you a very nasty surprise in the US. And with me....indeed. I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. Retired? No. I quit. *And I used to respond to serious fights that started with a "firm smack in the mouth" and ended with dead people There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, *indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " * and so forth and so on.... ' Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person. The Notting Hill outrage was a turning point in the British methodology for arming the police and after that numbers of firearms were held in all 'divisional police stations' and some officers at those stations were trained in their use. This system was used until replaced by the current 'Armed Response Unit' policy in 1991. Yes indeed. *We are fully aware of the Black and Tans being fully armed as well as the police, with 303s and machine guns Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Gunner Asch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL...so Gummer show us proof that you were in law enforcement. I mean with the badge...not sitting in a cell. Laugh..laugh..laugh.. Shrug TMT |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:38:48 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
My limited experience is that a firm smack in the mouth ends almost all fights. Your limited experience may get you a very nasty surprise in the US. And with me....indeed. Of course, people in the USA are all supermen. I already know that... I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. Retired? No. I quit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person. No, it had been taken to a shop to be repaired. All the ammunition acquired by the police that day came from gun shops. We don't know the identity of the person involved, thet may well have been a serving officer in the armed forces. And in the UK the police are considered to be civilians. Yes indeed. We are fully aware of the Black and Tans being fully armed as well as the police, with 303s and machine guns All the UK police used .303 rifles until they were replaced by 7.62 mm NATO in the 'seventies. As far as I'm aware the Black and Tans were only issued fully automatic weapons after they were used against them by IRA terrorists... But you have a point and so I will modify my statement to say that 'On the UK mainland...' -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: In fact..I know Brits who have stopped reporting crimes simply because it does absolutely no good. I don't. Im not surprised no one wishes to discuss things with you. Now about those machine guns in supervisors vehicles. Whatever are they there for? Now what's this one? So you dont have an answer? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-gun-police- set-to-patrol-British-streets-for-the-first-time.html As far as anyone is aware there is one single police force in the UK whoa re allowed access to fully automatic weapons, and that's the Nuclear Police, for pretty obvious reasons. Again, as far as is known, they've never ever used them. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-gun-police- set-to-patrol-British-streets-for-the-first-time.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...e-machine-gun- squads-for-britain/story-e6frf7jx-1225945812696 http://middleeasy.com/index.php? option=com_content&view=article&id=6668:whoa-sean-sherk-was-ambushed-by- machine-gun-wielding-uk-police&catid=34rganizations One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch The Sun! From a decade ago! First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: In fact..I know Brits who have stopped reporting crimes simply because it does absolutely no good. I don't. Im not surprised no one wishes to discuss things with you. Now about those machine guns in supervisors vehicles. Whatever are they there for? Now what's this one? So you dont have an answer? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-gun-police- set-to-patrol-British-streets-for-the-first-time.html As far as anyone is aware there is one single police force in the UK whoa re allowed access to fully automatic weapons, and that's the Nuclear Police, for pretty obvious reasons. Again, as far as is known, they've never ever used them. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-gun-police- set-to-patrol-British-streets-for-the-first-time.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...e-machine-gun- squads-for-britain/story-e6frf7jx-1225945812696 http://middleeasy.com/index.php? option=com_content&view=article&id=6668:whoa-sean-sherk-was-ambushed-by- machine-gun-wielding-uk-police&catid=34rganizations One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch The Sun! From a decade ago! First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? Now about that loaded gun the cops borrowed from the citizen who just happened to be in the right spot at the right time..that 1 in 1 million (population of London) that you claimed never happened in the incident I posted previously. And then you made a rather pathetic effort to cover it up. Be British laddy Boi! Be Proud of the buffoonery!! Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:39:10 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. Retired? No. I quit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person. No, it had been taken to a shop to be repaired. All the ammunition acquired by the police that day came from gun shops. So they stopped the chase, went back to the gun shops, purchased or levied ammunition, made sure it fit the weapon, then left and resumed the chase? No. The weapons were in the gun shop. The shop supplied the ammunition. After they acquired the guns and ammunition, mainly shotguns, they resumed the chase in a commandeered horse and cart , chasing the gunmen who had hijacked a tram... It all reads now like a bit of a farce but I imagine it was all dead serious at the time with the terrorists (Described as 'anarchist gunmen at the time but the survivors of the group seem to have all joined the Soviets in later days and at least one became a secret police official.) shot dead. We don't know the identity of the person involved, thet may well have been a serving officer in the armed forces. And in the UK the police are considered to be civilians. So you are sayin the cops borrowed guns from fellow cops? That's the sort of sophistry that completely invalidates your argument. "In December 1910, three London policemen investigating a burglary at a Houndsditch jewelry shop were murdered by rifle fire. Wrong. Famously shot with 7.65mm Mauser pistols. Seven-hundred and fifty policemen, supplemented by a Scots Guardsman unit, besieged Sidney Street. Home Secretary Winston Churchill arrived on the scene as the police were firing artillery and preparing to deploy mines. Banner headlines throughout the British Empire were already detailing the dramatic police confrontation with the anarchist nest. Churchill, accompanied by a police inspector and a Scots Guardsman with a hunting gun, strode up to the door of 100 Sidney Street; the inspector kicked the door down. Inside were the dead bodies of two anarchists." So many mistakes. Churchill ordered the troops deployed, no artillery was used and the house burned to the ground and two bodies were found in the smoking rubble. Cut and paste propaganda snipped to preserve sanity. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:09:37 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? I very much doubt an policeman ever called these weapons 'machine guns'. I also doubt you or I would either. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:09:37 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? I very much doubt an policeman ever called these weapons 'machine guns'. I also doubt you or I would either. Odd that I keep finding countless references to the British Police carrying machine guns... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36 Say...who is the Metropolitan Police Service? Is that part of the army? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...Police_Service Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:44:15 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:39:10 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. Retired? No. I quit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. And it was being carried by a civilian, fully loaded on his person. No, it had been taken to a shop to be repaired. All the ammunition acquired by the police that day came from gun shops. So they stopped the chase, went back to the gun shops, purchased or levied ammunition, made sure it fit the weapon, then left and resumed the chase? No. The weapons were in the gun shop. The shop supplied the ammunition. After they acquired the guns and ammunition, mainly shotguns, they resumed the chase in a commandeered horse and cart , chasing the gunmen who had hijacked a tram... Then you can provide cites to this effect? Ive supplied cites from (4) different sources so far and you have provided...nothing except verbage. Trot em out. It all reads now like a bit of a farce but I imagine it was all dead serious at the time with the terrorists (Described as 'anarchist gunmen at the time but the survivors of the group seem to have all joined the Soviets in later days and at least one became a secret police official.) shot dead. But of course. We don't know the identity of the person involved, thet may well have been a serving officer in the armed forces. And in the UK the police are considered to be civilians. So you are sayin the cops borrowed guns from fellow cops? That's the sort of sophistry that completely invalidates your argument. "In December 1910, three London policemen investigating a burglary at a Houndsditch jewelry shop were murdered by rifle fire. Wrong. Famously shot with 7.65mm Mauser pistols. True enough. But one only was a 7.62 Mauser. Care to advise what the other one was? VBG Seven-hundred and fifty policemen, supplemented by a Scots Guardsman unit, besieged Sidney Street. Home Secretary Winston Churchill arrived on the scene as the police were firing artillery and preparing to deploy mines. Banner headlines throughout the British Empire were already detailing the dramatic police confrontation with the anarchist nest. Churchill, accompanied by a police inspector and a Scots Guardsman with a hunting gun, strode up to the door of 100 Sidney Street; the inspector kicked the door down. Inside were the dead bodies of two anarchists." So many mistakes. Churchill ordered the troops deployed, no artillery was used and the house burned to the ground and two bodies were found in the smoking rubble. Cut and paste propaganda snipped to preserve sanity. Then you can provide those claimed mistakes were actually erronious and not actually mistakes at all...but your "source" was trying to cover up the fact that armed citizens were involved in helping the police. Trot them out if you would be so kind. Ill be waiting with amused interest. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:39:16 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
Churchill ordered the troops deployed, no artillery was used and the house burned to the ground and two bodies were found in the smoking rubble. Cut and paste propaganda snipped to preserve sanity. Then you can provide those claimed mistakes were actually erronious and not actually mistakes at all...but your "source" was trying to cover up the fact that armed citizens were involved in helping the police. Trot them out if you would be so kind. Ill be waiting with amused interest. I already gave it, and it's the same book that Wikipedia gives. The Battle of Stepney, Colin Rogers Please note that on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Si...detectives.jpg There's a picture of the house on fire. No sign of artillery damage at all... -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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