Why do Americans not travel more internationally ?

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Frank F. Matthews wrote:
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Frank F. Matthews wrote:
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Many scholars believe that when the early Christian church
decided to begin celebrating Jesus' birth, they didn't know
which date to use (the Bible doesn't explicity say when Jesus
was born)

Isn't the month of the Roman census known? Seems t'me it oughta
be. That would certainly narrow the time frame.

What census?

Uh, the one mentioned as the reason for Jesus' parents return to
Bethlehem so that they could be counted.

And just where is it reliably mentioned?

That aspect of Judeo-Christian mythology is rather commonly known. It's

been longer than fifty years since I read their book. I claim no
expertise.

And why do you think that it was the Bethlehem near Jerusalem instead
of the one near Nazareth?

You seem to have me confused with someone else. I alleged no such
thing.
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:08:59 -0600, Doug McDonald
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As I have pointed out, my own ancestors have lived here continuously
since 1610 ... well before the Pilgrims arrived.

Parvenus. St Augustine was settled in 1565.


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the [census] mentioned as the reason for Jesus' parents
return to Bethlehem so that they could be counted.

.

And just where is it reliably mentioned?


If you're asking where the census is mentioned in the Bible, it's in
Luke, Chapter 2:

"...a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be
enrolled. This was the first enrollment, when Quirin'i-us was governor
of Syria. And all went to be enrolled, each to his own city. And Joseph
also went ... to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem
... to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child..."

Jim



I was thinking of something reliable and preferably contemporary. Given
the amount of information from Imperial Roman times it is weird that
something as widespread isn't mentioned somewhere.

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Frank F. Matthews wrote:
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Isn't the month of the Roman census known? Seems t'me it oughta
be. That would certainly narrow the time frame.

What census?

Uh, the one mentioned as the reason for Jesus' parents return to
Bethlehem so that they could be counted.

And just where is it reliably mentioned?

That aspect of Judeo-Christian mythology is rather commonly known. It's

[snip]

Actually, it's not. That the census happened at all is hard to
establish
outside of biblical references. When it happened, how long it was,
or what time of any year it might have happened isn't clear.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:17:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
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the [census] mentioned as the reason for Jesus' parents
return to Bethlehem so that they could be counted.

.

And just where is it reliably mentioned?


If you're asking where the census is mentioned in the Bible, it's in
Luke, Chapter 2:

"...a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be
enrolled. This was the first enrollment, when Quirin'i-us was governor
of Syria. And all went to be enrolled, each to his own city. And Joseph
also went ... to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem
... to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child..."

I was thinking of something reliable and preferably contemporary. Given
the amount of information from Imperial Roman times it is weird that
something as widespread isn't mentioned somewhere.

If you think about it, it's not weird at all.

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On 29 Nov 2005 09:45:09 -0800, "
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That the census happened at all is hard to establish
outside of biblical references. When it happened, how long it was,
or what time of any year it might have happened isn't clear.

It appears to have been a plot device to arrange for Jesus to
have been born at Bethlemem, as prophesied.

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On 29 Nov 2005 09:45:09 -0800, "
wrote:

That the census happened at all is hard to establish
outside of biblical references. When it happened, how long it was,
or what time of any year it might have happened isn't clear.

It appears to have been a plot device to arrange for Jesus to
have been born at Bethlemem, as prophesied.

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Just to get back to the original post. I'm Canadian and have travelled to
many countries. I met many Americans, in fact more than any other
nationality.
Geoff.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:17:18 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
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I was thinking of something reliable and preferably contemporary. Given
the amount of information from Imperial Roman times it is weird that
something as widespread isn't mentioned somewhere.

We have massive amounts of information from imperial Roman times, but
it's only a tiny fraction of the written material that existed. Try
almost any topic and look for the extant information. Or take any
famous author in antiquity and see what fraction of his works are
extant. Livy, for example, one of ancient Rome's best-known
historians: less than half of his known works survive.

Actually, there is some information about a census around 7 BC, I
believe, which some think is the same census mentioned by St. Luke.

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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:04 -0500, "GeoffP"
wrote:


"Hatunen" wrote in message
.. .
On 29 Nov 2005 09:45:09 -0800, "
wrote:

That the census happened at all is hard to establish
outside of biblical references. When it happened, how long it was,
or what time of any year it might have happened isn't clear.

It appears to have been a plot device to arrange for Jesus to
have been born at Bethlemem, as prophesied.

Just to get back to the original post. I'm Canadian and have
travelled to
many countries. I met many Americans, in fact more than any other
nationality.

Having been a Canadian landed immigrant at one time as well as a
grad student at McGill University I have met an astonishing
number of Canadians in my time.

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"Hatunen" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:12:04 -0500, "GeoffP"
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"Hatunen" wrote in message
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On 29 Nov 2005 09:45:09 -0800, "
wrote:

That the census happened at all is hard to establish
outside of biblical references. When it happened, how long it was,
or what time of any year it might have happened isn't clear.

It appears to have been a plot device to arrange for Jesus to
have been born at Bethlemem, as prophesied.

Just to get back to the original post. I'm Canadian and have
travelled to
many countries. I met many Americans, in fact more than any other
nationality.

Having been a Canadian landed immigrant at one time as well as a
grad student at McGill University I have met an astonishing
number of Canadians in my time.

************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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Mmmm and your point is? G
Geoff.
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