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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because of MAX 737
"stoney" wrote in message ...
Nowadays, all these new planes do not need white men pilots. As long the standard training is applied to everyone, any local pilot can fly it, per se. The Max plane that crashed in Indonesia was piloted by the pilot from Indonesia. When the plane crashed, Boeing blamed the incompetence of the pilot which was an Indonesian, and also poor local maintenance crew on the plane. The FAA also believed so and therefore nothing much of the investigation of the plane maker was further on that crash, until This Lion Air was new had operated 400 hours in service only. The Ethiopian airline crashed on March 2019. The crashed Ethiopian airliner was only 4 month old. The Ethiopian plane was also piloted by foreign nationals who spoke English as a second language. Why is it that there were no Max crashes involving U.S. airlines in the prior 18 months? |
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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because ofMAX 737
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:05:37 -0600
"Byker" wrote: "stoney" wrote in message ... Nowadays, all these new planes do not need white men pilots. As long the standard training is applied to everyone, any local pilot can fly it, per se. The Max plane that crashed in Indonesia was piloted by the pilot from Indonesia. When the plane crashed, Boeing blamed the incompetence of the pilot which was an Indonesian, and also poor local maintenance crew on the plane. The FAA also believed so and therefore nothing much of the investigation of the plane maker was further on that crash, until This Lion Air was new had operated 400 hours in service only. The Ethiopian airline crashed on March 2019. The crashed Ethiopian airliner was only 4 month old. The Ethiopian plane was also piloted by foreign nationals who spoke English as a second language. Why is it that there were no Max crashes involving U.S. airlines in the prior 18 months? What a bloody racist. There are thousands of aircrews not white who go out every day, do their sectors and go home same as the white aircrews |
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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because of MAX 737
"George" wrote in message ...
What a bloody racist. There are thousands of aircrews not white who go out every day, do their sectors and go home same as the white aircrews And they've been properly trained, something turd-world ********s can't afford... |
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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because of MAX 737
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:05:37 -0600, "Byker" wrote:
"stoney" wrote in message ... Nowadays, all these new planes do not need white men pilots. As long the standard training is applied to everyone, any local pilot can fly it, per se. The Max plane that crashed in Indonesia was piloted by the pilot from Indonesia. When the plane crashed, Boeing blamed the incompetence of the pilot which was an Indonesian, and also poor local maintenance crew on the plane. The FAA also believed so and therefore nothing much of the investigation of the plane maker was further on that crash, until This Lion Air was new had operated 400 hours in service only. The Ethiopian airline crashed on March 2019. The crashed Ethiopian airliner was only 4 month old. The Ethiopian plane was also piloted by foreign nationals who spoke English as a second language. Why is it that there were no Max crashes involving U.S. airlines in the prior 18 months? I think Boeing may have had a 'cultural bias' built into its design and instruction manual - one that put non- english-speakers at a disadvantage. The fatal flaw was hard to understand in and of itself, requiring some counter-intuitive corrective measures. By the time the foreign pilots could "think like an American" it was too late. It was a "smartplane" feature ... but implemented VERY badly. No automated system should EVER fight the pilot. It would be like an automotive cruise control applying more throttle when you hit the brakes. The instant the pilot put hands on the wheel the anti-stall feature should have cut off entirely. And now it is even WORSE for Boeing. Not only will there be a few months more delay in re-certifying the Max (seems there were other issues too) but this morning their new Orion space capsule went to ****. Apparently somebody did not set the clock correctly .......... no doubt heads are rolling down the corridors at the office ............... I guess this will mean two or three additional un-manned flights will be necessary to prove they got it right. They do think they can retrieve the capsule from its weird orbit however so at least they be able to do a post-mortem. The SpaceX capsule is also in limbo. It did get to the space station, did dock, did return as intended - but during its post-mortem/refurb a terrible design flaw in the retro engine design became clear when one of them exploded. That COULD have happend in space or during re-entry, with people in the thing. Not good. So, it looks like we will NOT have a homegrown way to send people into space again until maybe the latter half of 2020, maybe 2021. I sure as hell would not trust the products of EITHER company until they got quite a number of full successes under their belts. Pack the things with TV dinners for the space station ... may as well get some use out of them during the tests. (millenials+ may not know what a "TV dinner" actually was ... I do recall the peas always tasted of aluminum ...) |
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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because of MAX 737
"PhantomView" wrote in message
... On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:05:37 -0600, "Byker" wrote: The Ethiopian plane was also piloted by foreign nationals who spoke English as a second language. Why is it that there were no Max crashes involving U.S. airlines in the prior 18 months? I think Boeing may have had a 'cultural bias' built into its design and instruction manual - one that put non- english-speakers at a disadvantage. The fatal flaw was hard to understand in and of itself, requiring some counter-intuitive corrective measures. By the time the foreign pilots could "think like an American" it was too late. It was a "smartplane" feature ... but implemented VERY badly. No automated system should EVER fight the pilot. It would be like an automotive cruise control applying more throttle when you hit the brakes. The instant the pilot put hands on the wheel the anti-stall feature should have cut off entirely. It's just the latest in a series of embarrassing (and often fatal) results whenever a "new and improved" model is put on the market, like British Midlands flight 92 ("Do I shut down the left or right engine?"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUPZ_KJrWc Also: "Airbus is ready for pilotless jets - are you?" Nope: https://phys.org/news/2019-06-airbus...ess-jets-.html What happens when automation goes psycho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_72 https://www.internetvictory.org/qant...isaster-qf-72/ https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...c252ae2168b327 I do recall the peas always tasted of aluminum ...) No doubt the Millennials' parents remember what happened when they tried to microwave them ;-) |
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Many ex-pat pilots are out of work in China because of MAX 737
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 09:45:32 -0600, "Byker" wrote:
"PhantomView" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:05:37 -0600, "Byker" wrote: The Ethiopian plane was also piloted by foreign nationals who spoke English as a second language. Why is it that there were no Max crashes involving U.S. airlines in the prior 18 months? I think Boeing may have had a 'cultural bias' built into its design and instruction manual - one that put non- english-speakers at a disadvantage. The fatal flaw was hard to understand in and of itself, requiring some counter-intuitive corrective measures. By the time the foreign pilots could "think like an American" it was too late. It was a "smartplane" feature ... but implemented VERY badly. No automated system should EVER fight the pilot. It would be like an automotive cruise control applying more throttle when you hit the brakes. The instant the pilot put hands on the wheel the anti-stall feature should have cut off entirely. It's just the latest in a series of embarrassing (and often fatal) results whenever a "new and improved" model is put on the market, like British Midlands flight 92 ("Do I shut down the left or right engine?"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoUPZ_KJrWc Also: "Airbus is ready for pilotless jets - are you?" Nope: https://phys.org/news/2019-06-airbus...ess-jets-.html What happens when automation goes psycho: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_72 https://www.internetvictory.org/qant...isaster-qf-72/ https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...c252ae2168b327 I do wonder though, if the plane had been completely automatic would there have been an issue ? In this particular case, I would say "probably yes" because the anti-stall system engaged far too near the ground. Give its way, the flight path would have been "corrected" about 1000 feet underground. The pilots knew there was not a real problem, knew what to do, but the automation fought them to the end. Likely there were a lot MORE screwups in the software, the reason it is taking so long to get the planes re-certified. Software, especially "intelligent" software, can be very hard to de-bug ... but Boeing wanted to start selling planes RIGHT NOW. I await some whistleblowers to come out and claim their serious concerns were ignored so Boeing could rush the plane to the market. For the near future, IMHO there should be NO software in these planes that can in any way affect its flight systems. Warnings, maybe suggestions, yes - but let the humans do the actual flying. Leave it at the old-fashioned "hold course/speed/altitude" auto-pilot systems ... they work. I do recall the peas always tasted of aluminum ...) No doubt the Millennials' parents remember what happened when they tried to microwave them ;-) OOOH-Yea ! :-) Some folks popped the original "Jiffy Pop" things in there - aluminum pan covered by aluminum foil .... Nowadays the successors come in hard plastic trays. The peas no longer taste like aluminum. Do not have much taste at all actually. Oh, for funzies, put one of those empty trays in the microwave and plop a CD or DVD disk on top, recording side up. Then hit the power for about three seconds and no more. The result is actually rather beautiful, artistic, a "frozen lightning" effect. |
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