stripped searched (pocket knife)

Binyamin Dissen writes:

Box cutters didn't bring down the planes.

Human failing did.

Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
planes.



Geoff

--
"Mommy, can ladies be taken apart?"
"No, son, why do you ask?"
"Because Daddy said he wanted to screw the ass
off the lady next door."

On May 18, 9:06 am, (Geoff Miller) wrote:
Binyamin Dissen writes:

Box cutters didn't bring down the planes.
Human failing did.

Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
planes.

Geoff

--
"Mommy, can ladies be taken apart?"
"No, son, why do you ask?"
"Because Daddy said he wanted to screw the ass
off the lady next door."

Similar argument to guns don't kill people, people kill people?

In message (Geoff
Miller) wrote:

Binyamin Dissen writes:

Box cutters didn't bring down the planes.

Human failing did.

Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
planes.

No, that's not the failing either -- The problem was the assumption of
the pilots, crew, and passengers that this was just like almost every
other hijacking, they would all get a free vacation to the hijacker's
destination of choice, fly back, and get on with their lives.

A reasonable assumption at the time, and I wouldn't blame any single
person on the plane other then the hijackers.

They might not have even needed a physical weapon -- What the 9/11
hijackers used was threat of violence, not actual violence.

--
"These, and other cliches will be available to you all for one more
day of training, with me"
-- Jack O'Neill

Geoff Miller wrote:

Binyamin Dissen writes:


Box cutters didn't bring down the planes.


Human failing did.


Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
planes.



Geoff


The planes were taken over because the idiots who wrote the instructions
to the flight crew said that they should be taken over in such
circumstances.

yaofeng writes:

: Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
: be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
: then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
: planes.

Similar argument to guns don't kill people, people kill people?


Yupperdoodle, snickerdoodle.



Geoff

--
"Mommy, can ladies be taken apart?"
"No, son, why do you ask?"
"Because Daddy said he wanted to screw the ass
off the lady next door."

On Fri, 18 May 2007 09:45:47 -0600, DevilsPGD
wrote:


They might not have even needed a physical weapon -- What the 9/11
hijackers used was threat of violence, not actual violence.

I'd consider slashed throats violence.

"Phone calls

Flight attendants Madeline Amy Sweeney and Betty Ong supplied
information on what happened. According to them, three people – two
attendants (Karen Martin and Barbara Arestegui) and a passenger – were
stabbed or had their throats slashed by the hijackers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ines_Flight_11

In message Brian
wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2007 09:45:47 -0600, DevilsPGD
wrote:

They might not have even needed a physical weapon -- What the 9/11
hijackers used was threat of violence, not actual violence.

I'd consider slashed throats violence.

"Phone calls

Flight attendants Madeline Amy Sweeney and Betty Ong supplied
information on what happened. According to them, three people – two
attendants (Karen Martin and Barbara Arestegui) and a passenger – were
stabbed or had their throats slashed by the hijackers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ines_Flight_11

Sure, there was some actual violence as well, but it's still the threat
of further violence that allows them to gain and keep control.

I can think of several things in my laptop bag that could be used to
kill one or two people as an attention getting technique.

--
"These, and other cliches will be available to you all for one more
day of training, with me"
-- Jack O'Neill

In message "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote:

The planes were taken over because the idiots who wrote the instructions
to the flight crew said that they should be taken over in such
circumstances.

I wouldn't call them idiots, such instructions have saved a lot of lives
in the past.

They simply failed to foresee this threat, the worst that they had
envisioned was someone crashing a plane and killing everyone in the
plane (with those around the crash site being incidental), which is
roughly the same thing that would happen if the pilots struggled and
crashed the plane during the struggle for control.

--
"These, and other cliches will be available to you all for one more
day of training, with me"
-- Jack O'Neill

Geoff Miller wrote:

Binyamin Dissen writes:


Box cutters didn't bring down the planes.


Human failing did.


Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
planes.

Box cutters were permitted items in 1991.
In fact, I remember planes awhile back that used to have blade disposal
receptacles.

Geoff Miller wrote:
yaofeng writes:

: Yeah -- the human failing of allowing the box cutters to
: be brought on board the aircraft. Which box cutters were
: then used to take over and ultimately bring down the air-
: planes.


Similar argument to guns don't kill people, people kill people?



Yupperdoodle, snickerdoodle.

If the passengers had guns, the outcome on 9/11 would have been different.