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Simple question about ID
12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve |
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On May 11, 9:31*pm, Steve wrote:
12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve I would, as I have yet to need it any cruise I have taken. I have been on 4 to Alaska, Caribbean, the Panama Canal, and the Mexican Rivera. All of these were taken in last 5 years. Michael |
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On May 11, 8:31*pm, Steve wrote:
12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve The passport is the gold standard for identification. |
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In article , Steve
wrote: Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? You don't need the birth certificates if you are using passports as your identity documents. -- Charles |
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I have never used a birth certificate for international travel. Our
first trip (to Europe on the Nieuw Amsterdam), when I was 12, my parents saved money by getting only two passports - one was for my dad and one had my mom, my sister and I on it. We did a Thos. Cook and Son independent travel trip - not with a guide or group, but with a book of tickets. Having only two passports turned out to be a handicap when the porter gave us back one wrong passport in Switzerland. We discovered this right after we got off the train. My dad had to jump back on the train to retrieve the passport, and then he had to get back to us somehow. I don't think that is allowed now, or at least it is certainly strongly discouraged. I went to Bermuda in 1963 and to Europe a second time in 1964 at which time I had my own passport. My niece was born in Germany, and I'm not sure whether she had her own passport when she came back to the states or whether she traveled on her mother's passport - she was still a baby. I did not take my first trip to Canada until 1994. We went to Bermuda again in 1995 and started traveling to the Caribbean after that. In those days they were still trying to disabuse people of the notion that all they needed was a voter registration card to travel. My first trip to Mexico was in 1998. Our first visit to the Bahamas was in 2001. Our first cruise was 2004 I started using my passport as an ID even for domestic travel about 10 years ago. I do have another photo ID also. Steve wrote: 12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve |
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Steve wrote: 12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? We have cruised and flown recently and a passport is the only id we needed. When you get off the ship in some ports they tell you to take a picture id with you and if your drivers licence have a picture that is all you will need. We take old drivers licences with us for that purpose, we prefer to leave our passports in our safe and not carry it with us. Leave your birth certificates home and all will be ok. sue |
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On 5/11/2009 11:31 PM Steve "tweaked" on too much Starbucks said:
12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve That's Carnival for ya'! In order to get a passport you had to produce an offecal birth certificate. So, your Passport is by it's nature also your offecal birth certifikake. -- ________ To email me, Edit "blog" from my email address. Brian M. Kochera "The poor dog is the firmest friend, the first to welcome the foremost to defend" - Lord Byron View My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~brian1951 |
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:15 -0400, Brian K
wrote: On 5/11/2009 11:31 PM Steve "tweaked" on too much Starbucks said: 12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve That's Carnival for ya'! In order to get a passport you had to produce an offecal birth certificate. So, your Passport is by it's nature also your offecal birth certifikake. Nope. A birth certificate shows where you were born, which in in lex solis countries like the US is prima facie evidence of citizenship. A birth certificate doesn't help prove US citizenship if you weren't born in the US. A passport is also prima facie evidence of citizenship, which you might have acquired through naturalization. In both case, the presumption of citizenship can be rebutted. It is not common for someone born in the US to not be a citizen, but it is possible. And I assume that the US, like Canada, occasionally issues passports to non-citizens. |
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[Default] Thus spake Jack Hamilton :
On Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:15 -0400, Brian K wrote: On 5/11/2009 11:31 PM Steve "tweaked" on too much Starbucks said: 12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve That's Carnival for ya'! In order to get a passport you had to produce an offecal birth certificate. So, your Passport is by it's nature also your offecal birth certifikake. Nope. A birth certificate shows where you were born, which in in lex solis countries like the US is prima facie evidence of citizenship. A birth certificate doesn't help prove US citizenship if you weren't born in the US. A passport is also prima facie evidence of citizenship, which you might have acquired through naturalization. In both case, the presumption of citizenship can be rebutted. It is not common for someone born in the US to not be a citizen, but it is possible. Sadly, no. If you are born in the US, you are a citizen. That's one of the two reasons so many women come across the border from the south to have their kids, the other being the superior health care. And I assume that the US, like Canada, occasionally issues passports to non-citizens. I'm looking, but can't find it. If you are an immigrant status (either RA or refugee), you are given another document, formerly known as the green card and still called that, although long since a dozen other coloers. -- - dillon I am not invalid Approximately 75,000 years ago, the supervolcano Toba erupted, In 24 hours, it ejected enough material to fill the area inside the DC Beltway over a kilometer deep. Good idea, bad timing, |
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 22:59:48 -0500, Dillon Pyron
wrote: [Default] Thus spake Jack Hamilton : On Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:15 -0400, Brian K wrote: On 5/11/2009 11:31 PM Steve "tweaked" on too much Starbucks said: 12 days from our family Eastern Caribbean cruise... On our only previous cruise, the kids were young and none of us had passports back then (5 years ago). The required proof of ID was a photo ID and birth certificate. Now, the kids are adults and we all have passports. I just seems obvious that if we all have our passport, we shouldn't need anything else. I keep looking at the Carnival information and they are still talking about birth certificates. For the life of me, I can't find a place where they flat out say we don't need our birth certificates if we have passports. We should also all have our driver's licenses with us. Can someone here confirm that it's safe to leave the birth certificates home this time? Steve That's Carnival for ya'! In order to get a passport you had to produce an offecal birth certificate. So, your Passport is by it's nature also your offecal birth certifikake. Nope. A birth certificate shows where you were born, which in in lex solis countries like the US is prima facie evidence of citizenship. A birth certificate doesn't help prove US citizenship if you weren't born in the US. A passport is also prima facie evidence of citizenship, which you might have acquired through naturalization. In both case, the presumption of citizenship can be rebutted. It is not common for someone born in the US to not be a citizen, but it is possible. Sadly, no. If you are born in the US, you are a citizen. That's one of the two reasons so many women come across the border from the south to have their kids, the other being the superior health care. If you are a dual citizen, you can abandon US citizenship. It's not common, but it happens. The US doesn't make it easy - the government wants to reserve the right to tax or jail everyone it possibly can. But it is possible to have a US birth certificate and not be a US citizen. And I assume that the US, like Canada, occasionally issues passports to non-citizens. I'm looking, but can't find it. If you are an immigrant status (either RA or refugee), you are given another document, formerly known as the green card and still called that, although long since a dozen other coloers. For example, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis: "Six American diplomats did however avoid capture and found refuge at the nearby Canadian and Swiss embassies in Tehran for three months. They fled Iran using Canadian passports on January 28, 1980." They had Canadian passports and they were not Canadian citizens. As I said, I assume that the US does the same thing occasionally. |
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