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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:01 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Bert Hyman
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Default Shooting at Northern Illinois.

In Alan S
wrote:

After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
private weapons from the public....

I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
political differences, the cost would be astronomical.


Did it actually "work" in Australia?

Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns?

Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding?

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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:13 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Mike O'Sullivan
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sechumlib wrote:
On 2008-02-15 11:14:01 -0500, "Jim Davis" said:

MY question is, how would *you* go about collecting all of the
firearms from
the American public if you were in public office, and an anti-gun law
were
passed?


Apparently you can't argue against doing it for any reasons other than
nuts & bolts. That should mean something to you.


How could you reliably collect the many illegal firearms in the hands of
violent criminals?
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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:15 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Mike O'Sullivan
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Alan S wrote:


I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
ratio.


Also of course, gun manufacture is big business in the USA, and nobody
messes with big business.
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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:16 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Mike O'Sullivan
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Jim Davis wrote:

I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware, but
Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.


But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
neighbouring states?
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Old February 16th, 2008, 07:46 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Bert Hyman
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In Mike O'Sullivan
wrote:

Jim Davis wrote:

I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware,
but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.


But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
neighbouring states?


Federal law, of course.

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Old February 16th, 2008, 08:20 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Mike O'Sullivan
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Bert Hyman wrote:
In Mike O'Sullivan
wrote:

Jim Davis wrote:
I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware,
but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
neighbouring states?


Federal law, of course.

How is that enforced, border checkpoints?
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Old February 16th, 2008, 09:34 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Bert Hyman
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Default Shooting at Northern Illinois.

In Mike O'Sullivan
wrote:

Bert Hyman wrote:
In Mike O'Sullivan
wrote:

Jim Davis wrote:
I don't see it working here either. I don't know if you're aware,
but Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
But does Illinois have any way of preventing gun importation from
neighbouring states?


Federal law, of course.

How is that enforced, border checkpoints?


The same way every other law is enforced: after the fact, usually by
accident.

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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN
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Old February 16th, 2008, 09:37 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
J. Clarke[_2_]
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Default Shooting at Northern Illinois.

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
Alan S wrote:


I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
political differences, the cost would be astronomical. Not
just a bigger population but a much higher guns-per-person
ratio.


Also of course, gun manufacture is big business in the USA, and
nobody
messes with big business.


Don't assume facts not in evidence. Smith & Wesson is British owned
and they seem determined to commit corporate suicide by getting their
products banned. Other firearms manufacturers have also been said to
be soft on gun bans.

The reason is in part that the Federal government and the state
governments have some pretty big hammers--they buy a _lot_ of guns and
lack of cooperation can mean the difference between one manufacturer
and another getting a contract.

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Old February 17th, 2008, 12:00 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Alan S[_1_]
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:36:04 -0800, Go Fig
wrote:

After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
private weapons from the public. An amnesty period was
declared so that no-one would be prosecuted for producing an
unregistered or illegal weapon during that period.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...since-buyback/
2006/12/13/1165685752421.html


Hummm... but what about the crime rate overall ?


I used to have the figures at hand. Do some googling. I'm
very happy to live here and not the-)


Cheers, Alan, Australia
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Old February 17th, 2008, 12:03 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
Alan S[_1_]
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Default Shooting at Northern Illinois.

On 16 Feb 2008 18:01:00 GMT, Bert Hyman
wrote:

In Alan S
wrote:

After the Port Arthur massacre our government declared
certain weapons illegal and provided funds to buy back the
private weapons from the public....

I couldn't see it working in the USA; apart from the
political differences, the cost would be astronomical.


Did it actually "work" in Australia?

Did Australian criminals dutifully line up and turn in their guns?

Or were guns only confiscated from the law-abiding?


Read the article. Look at the deaths by firearms. And the
crims probably still have their guns but consider how many
massacres these days are by known criminals and how many are
by people with no criminal record?

Was the guy in Illinois a prior crim? The guys in Columbine?

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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