Is Kyoto better than Paris?

waggg wrote:
http://www.jack-travel.com/Paris/Par..._Parisians.htm

Paris-Parisians-Les Parisiens

Who are the Parisians? Are they the prostitutes in leather mini
skirts on rue St.Denis, the"clochard" sleeping off a bottle of red
wine in the Metro, the society hostess in Chanel, the yuppie
stockbroker weaving home from the Bourse on his scooter, the children
from the Opera Ballet school affectionately know as "les petits
rats", the au pairs hiding from their mothers in the city's American
bars, the Algerian greengrocer or the Portuguese concierge, the
stately African chief from Sierra Leone, the law student from La
Sorbonne and the old lady in the in her bedroom slippers feeding the
pigeons. People are what lend any city its vibrancy and Paris is no
exception. Stripped of its human population, Paris would be no more
than a collection of buildings and monuments, architecturally
beautiful maybe, but a sad, cold place nonetheless.
John Steinbeck once wrote: "No other city in the world has been better
loved or more celebrated. Scarcely has the traveller arrived that he
feels himself in the grip of this city, which is more than a city. A
great part of the allure of Paris lies with the Parisians themselves,
with their charm, their individualism, their diversity."
For the 23 millions who visit it each year, Paris is a grand
seductress, a mistress or a lover. Hundreds of thousands of people
are carrying on an illicit affair with her. Some manage a quick
fling, others the love affair endures a lifetime. But some visitors
and Parisians have their favourite stereotypical types whom they love
to hate, from the haughty, patronising shop assistant too busy
adjusting her lipstick to give the customers the time of day, who
refuses to let you enter his cab because are not heading in "his"
direction, and to the indifferent bureaucrat who keeps you waiting
for three hours only to inform you that you lack a vital document
(usually your electricity bill :-)) without which he is unable to
help you. But this happens in all major cities all over the world.
Recent campaigns in the French press exhorted Parisians to good
behaviour and deplored the sometimes-unfriendly welcome, which is
become rather rare lately. Parisians are no longer under any
illusions. Only 38 percent consider themselves kind, while almost
unanimous 92 percent admit they are under stress. 82 percent also own
up, with more than a touch of Gallic pride, to being
"individualistes", a description which anyone who has had more than a
passing acquaintance with the city may suspect of doubling as a
convenient excuse for a multitude of sins of the "me first" variety.
And yet, the American author Arthur Miller, who spent many years in
the capital and was better placed than most to make and objective
judgment, stated that he had more respect for the French "than any
other nationality on the face of the earth." While conceding that
"the French may not be the jolliest, happiest or the easiest people
to get along with, a Frenchman makes the best kind of friend. Though
he may be difficult to get to know, once he lets you into his life
he'll be your friend forever.


God save me from that kind of friends !


Syphilis, sive Morbvs Gallicvs (Syphilis, or the French Disease)
is the title of a Latin epic poem written by
Girolamo Fracastoro or Hieronymus Fracastorius, (1483-1553).
It is the first known reference to this important French contribution to
civilization.
While Islam is the cancer of the world, France is definitely its syphilis.
http://www.****france.com/index.html

waggg wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:29:48 GMT, "Dieter Aaaa" Dieter
wrote:

While Islam is the cancer of the world, France is definitely its
syphilis. http://www.****france.com/index.html

Do you realize that advertising and doinbg the apology of a website
that contaisn ****-name.com is a serious indicator that your IQ is
most likely below the average human level ? ...

i do that just to upset you

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:47:07 GMT, "Dieter Aaaa" Dieter
wrote:

waggg wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:29:48 GMT, "Dieter Aaaa" Dieter
wrote:

While Islam is the cancer of the world, France is definitely its
syphilis. http://www.****france.com/index.html

Do you realize that advertising and doinbg the apology of a website
that contaisn ****-name.com is a serious indicator that your IQ is
most likely below the average human level ? ...

i do that just to upset you

you're wasting your time... but well ... it's yours.

"waggg" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:29:48 GMT, "Dieter Aaaa" Dieter
wrote:

While Islam is the cancer of the world, France is definitely its
syphilis.
http://www.****france.com/index.html

Do you realize that advertising and doinbg the apology of a website that
contaisn ****-name.com is a serious indicator that your IQ is most
likely
below the average human level ? ...

yeah, but it's still a sure bet to be way higher than that of a person who
confuses etiquette with intelligence...


michael

waggg wrote on 6/25/05 3:27 PM:
On 25 Jun 2005 08:43:31 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


You mean to a once great wine that has since turned to vinegar, don't
you? I've been to Paris at least 50 times. The first half dozen were
interesting. Beautiful architecture and some interesting shops. Get
past the buildings and there just isn't anything left worth bothering
with.

If you're going to Europe make it London, Budapest, Rome, Amsterdam or
take a ferry down to Tangiers and over to Fez.

Paris just isn't worth the effort.


I would be courious what makes London, Budapest, Rome, Amsterdam or Morocco
so much better. What are you searching in your trips ?

It does not occur to some people that there are things inside of buildings.

waggg wrote:
On 25 Jun 2005 08:43:31 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

You mean to a once great wine that has since turned to vinegar, don't
you? I've been to Paris at least 50 times. The first half dozen were
interesting. Beautiful architecture and some interesting shops. Get
past the buildings and there just isn't anything left worth bothering
with.

If you're going to Europe make it London, Budapest, Rome, Amsterdam or
take a ferry down to Tangiers and over to Fez.

Paris just isn't worth the effort.

I would be courious what makes London, Budapest, Rome, Amsterdam or Morocco
so much better. What are you searching in your trips ?

Culture. People. The Medina in Fez is "an adventure". You meet people
with a dramatically different lifestyle and view of the world.
Friendly, interesting people. Paris clearly used to be like that. But
the bitterness of the French about everything in the world around them,
particularly if you're English speaking, is palpable. They believe that
they were once Masters of the World and they are bitter because they
believe that England, US, Germany, basically everyone else is depriving
them of their rightful place in the world. And it shows in their
behavior.

Get outside of Paris and you don't see that. But in Paris it dominates.

You don't see that elsewhere in France. You don't see that in Berlin or
Amsterdam or O Porto or Rome or London or .......

My job used to require that I go through Paris once a month. The first
several times I made sure that I laid over in Paris for at least as
week. Got disgusted with the place. Now I arrange to lay over in
Bangkok or London or Perth or somewhere enjoyable.

Kenneth wrote:

It does not occur to some people that there are things inside of buildings.

I guess you missed the point. I avoid Paris because that is all Paris
has: buildings. The other cities have good people and great cultures
and are enjoyable to visit. Even the museums are better in Amsterdam
and Madrid than they are in Paris.

Tokyo has more money, has more industry, has more commerce, and has more
power. What it doesn't have is style. Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe, and Nara are all
more interesting places to visit.


HAHAAHAHHA


oh man, kaz will think he's hallucinating

On 25 Jun 2005 23:30:43 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

Kenneth wrote:

It does not occur to some people that there are things inside of buildings.

I guess you missed the point. I avoid Paris because that is all Paris
has: buildings. The other cities have good people and great cultures

....

and are enjoyable to visit. Even the museums are better in Amsterdam
and Madrid than they are in Paris.

-_-

I guess everything is subjective.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:33:11 GMT, "michael" wrote:


"waggg" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:29:48 GMT, "Dieter Aaaa" Dieter
wrote:

While Islam is the cancer of the world, France is definitely its
syphilis.
http://www.****france.com/index.html

Do you realize that advertising and doinbg the apology of a website that
contaisn ****-name.com is a serious indicator that your IQ is most
likely
below the average human level ? ...

yeah, but it's still a sure bet to be way higher than that of a person who
confuses etiquette with intelligence...

There's no need to talk about Netiquette. I wasn't.