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Alfred Molon wrote: In article . com, PeterL says... Or what if while you are out sightseeing your baby comes down with high temperature? We'd perhaps be away for max. half a day or so, and it's unlikely that so much can go wrong in such a short time. Unlikely, but what if something happens? The incident of child kidnapping is extremely rare in the US, and yet, when it happens it happens in the blink of an eye. But if you want to expose your child to risks, however unlikely, go ahead. If this happens at home, you know who to call, you have the number to the police, you know who your pediatrician is, you can talk to the police, you have friends and relatives who can help you or give you support. My brother in law and his wife live in Beijing, so the country is not totally foreign to us. But you won't be in Beijing. It's like saying I'll be visiting Paris. Can I leave my baby with a babysitter? It's OK cause my brother lives in Rome. In a foreign country (I am not just saying that about China), you are unfamiliar with the law, you'll have trouble communicating wiht the police, you don't know if the babysitter knows the first thing about first aid, you don't have a supprt system. Well, my wife speaks Chinese and China is not totally undeveloped country anyway. I also guess you could talk to the babysitter first and check her credentials. And by the way, they have babies also in China. They have babies who live with their parents and have a support system with relatives and friends and doctors they are familiar with. You have none of those. And even so babies die everyday in China from a variety of diseases. There are incidents of baby kidnapping in China. But of course it is important to find the right babysitter. In any case, I'm not sure if I want to leave my baby with a babysitter in China. I was just asking for some feedback and was curious to hear if anybody did this before. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - 6000 photos from Asia, Africa and Europe |
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PeterL wrote:
But they do have incidents of baby kidnaps, as in most other countries. Including wherever they come from. Unless you can demonstrate that China has a significantly higher rate than other places, I don't see that this matters. Or what if while you are out sightseeing your baby comes down with high temperature? If this happens at home, you know who to call, you have the number to the police, you know who your pediatrician is, you can talk to the police, you have friends and relatives who can help you or give you support. What does this have to do with babysitters? This is about being in a different country. Or do foreign babysitters insist that you leave your friends and pediatricians at home? In a foreign country (I am not just saying that about China), you are unfamiliar with the law, you'll have trouble communicating wiht the police, you don't know if the babysitter knows the first thing about first aid, you don't have a supprt system. I am not saying that any of these will happen. But leaving a baby with a total stranger in a foreign country is, in my book, highly irresponsible. You make it sound as if they are going to drop their baby off with some guy begging for change at the side of the road, and communicate through hand gestures that they hope to collect the baby again later. I assume they are going to try to find a professional childcare provider, who has had to deal with high temperatures and other problems a thousand times before. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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Miguel Cruz wrote: PeterL wrote: But they do have incidents of baby kidnaps, as in most other countries. Including wherever they come from. Unless you can demonstrate that China has a significantly higher rate than other places, I don't see that this matters. Let's see if your priorities will change when you have your own baby. Or what if while you are out sightseeing your baby comes down with high temperature? If this happens at home, you know who to call, you have the number to the police, you know who your pediatrician is, you can talk to the police, you have friends and relatives who can help you or give you support. What does this have to do with babysitters? This is about being in a different country. Or do foreign babysitters insist that you leave your friends and pediatricians at home? In a foreign country (I am not just saying that about China), you are unfamiliar with the law, you'll have trouble communicating wiht the police, you don't know if the babysitter knows the first thing about first aid, you don't have a supprt system. I am not saying that any of these will happen. But leaving a baby with a total stranger in a foreign country is, in my book, highly irresponsible. You make it sound as if they are going to drop their baby off with some guy begging for change at the side of the road, and communicate through hand gestures that they hope to collect the baby again later. I assume they are going to try to find a professional childcare provider, who has had to deal with high temperatures and other problems a thousand times before. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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PeterL wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote: PeterL wrote: But they do have incidents of baby kidnaps, as in most other countries. Including wherever they come from. Unless you can demonstrate that China has a significantly higher rate than other places, I don't see that this matters. Let's see if your priorities will change when you have your own baby. I would be doing the child a disservice if I took leave of my ability to think rationally. In the absence of evidence that there is increased risk of child kidnapping in China vs at home, I don't see why that would be a factor in a decision of whether or not to use a babysitter there to any greater degree than it would at home. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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Miguel Cruz wrote: PeterL wrote: Miguel Cruz wrote: PeterL wrote: But they do have incidents of baby kidnaps, as in most other countries. Including wherever they come from. Unless you can demonstrate that China has a significantly higher rate than other places, I don't see that this matters. Let's see if your priorities will change when you have your own baby. I would be doing the child a disservice if I took leave of my ability to think rationally. In the absence of evidence that there is increased risk of child kidnapping in China vs at home, I don't see why that would be a factor in a decision of whether or not to use a babysitter there to any greater degree than it would at home. Let's think about this rationally then. Let's leave China out of the equation least people accuse me of China bashing. Let's just talk about travel in general. Also admittedly the incident of child kidnapping is very rare (although when it happens the emotional toll is extremely high), so let's include acute infestions and injuries. Travel puts stress on one's physiology, yes? The longer the travel (e.g. to a foreign country) the higher the stress level. For very young children the stress is amplified because their immune system is not well developed. So while there are babies in all countries, traveling babies are subject to higher likelihood of acute infections and injuries, esp. if they are exposed to infectious agents they are not used to seeing (e.g. in a foreign country). Now let's think about reactions when a child is infected or injured or kidnapped. At home, while these are traumatic events, you have an immediate support system. Friends and relatives, doctors and hospitals, police, church, etc. are all familiar to you. You can communicate in your native language. This is not so in a foreign country. You most likely can't communicate in that language. (This is so even if you speak that language. You are unlikely to be familiar with communicating about disease or injuries with medical professionals or the police.) You have no support system to speak of. Thus when something like this happens while you are traveling with very young children, the likelihood of similar level of service to when you are at home is non-existent. Thinking logically, would you expose your young child to a potentially high level of infection or injury or kidnapping if you don't have to? I wouldn't. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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In article . com,
PeterL says... This is not so in a foreign country. You most likely can't communicate in that language. (This is so even if you speak that language. You are unlikely to be familiar with communicating about disease or injuries with medical professionals or the police.) You have no support system to speak of. Thus when something like this happens while you are traveling with very young children, the likelihood of similar level of service to when you are at home is non-existent. As I said my wife is Chinese, so she can very well communicate in the local language in China. The baby itself is outgoing and easily socialises with people, so would probably feel more comfortable spending a half day with a friendly lady in a relaxed environment than being dragged around with us from a touristic sight to the next. Also, the baby already spent three months in a developing country (Malaysia) when she was 7 months old, so I'd guess that its immune system is at least partially adapted to a developing country. In any case we don't have to use a babysitter in China. I'm just interested in getting some opinions. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm - 6000 photos from Asia, Africa and Europe |
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Not too long ago there was an article in a newspaper here (in Australia)
about the incidence of child kidnapping in China increasing over time because of the restrictive birth rules in that country. The article said that because Chinese coup[les were only allowed to have one child they were "buying" babies from these kidnappers. Admittedly it usually concerned male babies but some females were traded as well. Also in ouir papers there were stories of babysitting staff in 5 star hotels dealing indecently with little children. I can't remember whether the hotels were here or in SE Asia. I have no wish to sound alarmist but it is as well to know that these stories are doing the rounds. Gerrit - Oz |
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In article 430c3180$0$5436$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au, Gerrit 't Hart says... I have no wish to sound alarmist but it is as well to know that these stories are doing the rounds. There are also stories that Chinese eat children. -- Alfred Molon ------------------------------ Olympus 4040, 5050, 5060, 7070, 8080, E300 forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ Olympus E300 resource - http://myolympus.org/E300/ |
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Gerrit 't Hart wrote:
Not too long ago there was an article in a newspaper here (in Australia) about the incidence of child kidnapping in China increasing over time because of the restrictive birth rules in that country. The article said that because Chinese coup[les were only allowed to have one child they were "buying" babies from these kidnappers. Admittedly it usually concerned male babies but some females were traded as well. And I'm sure that family that suddenly shows up with a white western baby won't arouse any suspicion at all, especially not just after that family of tourists reported their baby stolen. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos from 36 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu Latest photos: Queens Day in Amsterdam; the Grand Canyon; Amman, Jordan |
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