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Meaning of Opera
The distinction between people who listen & like to rap/rock versus
people who listen to and like opera -- and I mean people who truly LISTEN and LIKE (not just people who pretend to like) -- is age and education. "Lottery asians", e.g., rich asians who got their money by luck (real estate speculation) adore opera, not for opera, but for the status symbol. They can't appreciate opera since they are essentially uneducated naives. They are the asians that richasiankid grew up with. Frankly, those people don't really like or understand anything except money. To them, everything is just a money/status symbol. They have no intellectual or cultural life outside of status symbols. But there are sophisticated, educated people who really like music, whether its opera or rap. Since opera is more sophisticated than rap, usually it's the older "PhD" types who like opera. The young'uns like rap since it is very elementary music. After those rap musicians grow older and wiser, they will become bored with rap and move to more sophisticated musical forms like rhythm and blues and jazz, and classical music. Note that there are no old rappers still rapping teen rap. |
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I know I'm a brute.
Yes, what you exhibit here is that, first, you come from a non-intellectual family with parents who are probably college grads or lower in educational level. second, you yourself are either a high school kid or a college student. In other words, your educational level is sub-college based on your thinking and the way you talk. Definitely not grad student. |
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I think that being young is a good thing. In fact it's a **blessing**.
I'm not ashamed of it. One day, I know, we all grow old but then the young ones still have their chance. There's life ahead of us, see, unlike some decrepit Viagra-dependent retirement-home bound geezer swooning over Lehar. Yeah, even for a guy. OK OK, women too, women too. I'm not sexist Read through some of the threads here...but didn't you say somewhere that you couldn't understand a word of opera but nevertheless went in with a 6-pack or something? Tell me that I'm wrong...I am often wrong so... Ira Humperdink MD wrote: The distinction between people who listen & like to rap/rock versus people who listen to and like opera -- and I mean people who truly LISTEN and LIKE (not just people who pretend to like) -- is age and education. "Lottery asians", e.g., rich asians who got their money by luck (real estate speculation) adore opera, not for opera, but for the status symbol. They can't appreciate opera since they are essentially uneducated naives. They are the asians that richasiankid grew up with. Frankly, those people don't really like or understand anything except money. To them, everything is just a money/status symbol. They have no intellectual or cultural life outside of status symbols. But there are sophisticated, educated people who really like music, whether its opera or rap. Since opera is more sophisticated than rap, usually it's the older "PhD" types who like opera. The young'uns like rap since it is very elementary music. After those rap musicians grow older and wiser, they will become bored with rap and move to more sophisticated musical forms like rhythm and blues and jazz, and classical music. Note that there are no old rappers still rapping teen rap. |
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Ira Humperdink MD wrote: I know I'm a brute. Yes, what you exhibit here is that, first, you come from a non-intellectual family with parents who are probably college grads or lower in educational level. second, you yourself are either a high school kid or a college student. In other words, your educational level is sub-college based on your thinking and the way you talk. Definitely not grad student. Why is being intellectual important? |
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J.Venning wrote: "RichAsianKid" wrote in message oups.com... I know I'm a brute. I've been told that many many times from the older gen. I don't really love people who sentimentally gush over just how they want how their Australian Shiraz should smell like etc etc. I prefer Burger King and beer actually. But that's me. It may even be biologically driven, who knows. But anyway. Opera or this sissy or rather this 'classy' music stuff is for degenerates (no pun there!! hahahaa) anyway. I just don't think that, say, Puccini's Turandot speaks to the modern generation. He may be gay anyway I don't know, like Oscar Wilde. Wagner, on the other hand, has some masculine appeal. Yet he's easily labelled racist and/or anti-semite too. You just can't win. As they say choose your heroes carefully. Oh and BTW people will say you're discriminatory against rock/rap - you're saying that even stupid people will understand them? I think you have described yourself rather clearly here, and no one will try to change your mind or opinion about opera or anything else. If you don't think that "Turandot" speaks to the modern generation, you will need hearing aid. Puccini was not a homosexual, but even if he were, does that make his music less good? I am sure you have chosen your heroes very carefully. Yes, I am very discriminatory against rock/rap, so? Am I not allowed to have my personal values? Stupid people will not understand anything - not even rock or rap - but they will follow whatever the media or salesmen tell them what to buy and listen. J. It's more a generation gap perhaps - I read somewhere that opera was used to scare young people away in subways/undergrounds??!! Besides in the dating scene - opera for guys, perhaps only 2nd to ballet - is a red flag - from a gf of mine who studied music. Do you expect a high school bully who loves hunting to be a vet? Hmmm. Perhaps, maybe that is why you guys have such great problems reaching out to younger audience? Example: if ngs are correct which they often are not, I read just the other night on another newsgroup that some guy was playing his Lehar and Dvorak - and his middle aged - MIDDLE AGED - son - cringed everytime. So tell us how you will convince us to join the grandfather generation - two wongs do not make a white in jokespeak, sorry, two wrongs do not make a right (am I really this bad) - i.e. rebelling against the middle-aged crowd doesn't automatically make us 'hip' - afterall isn't music an ornament (is that a half pun too?) |
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Why is being intellectual important?
did i say that was important? If I say you are blue, does that mean I think being green is "important"? No, it just means I just want to accurately characterize you. |
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Ira Humperdink MD wrote: Why is being intellectual important? did i say that was important? If I say you are blue, does that mean I think being green is "important"? No, it just means I just want to accurately characterize you. I value everyone's input. That's the privilege of being seen as 'rich', see? |
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wrote in message
oups.com... It's more a generation gap perhaps - I read somewhere that opera was used to scare young people away in subways/undergrounds??!! Correction - classical music, not just opera, is played on subways/underground, because it has an effect of driving away hobos and lay-abouts that hang around these places. They somehow connect classical music to the upper class people with whom they do not mix. Hmmm. Perhaps, maybe that is why you guys have such great problems reaching out to younger audience? Example: if ngs are correct which they often are not, I read just the other night on another newsgroup that some guy was playing his Lehar and Dvorak - and his middle aged - MIDDLE AGED - son - cringed everytime. So tell us how you will convince us to join the grandfather generation - two wongs do not make a white in jokespeak, sorry, two wrongs do not make a right (am I really this bad) - i.e. rebelling against the middle-aged crowd doesn't automatically make us 'hip' - afterall isn't music an ornament (is that a half pun too?) I don't know from where you get your information, but classical music does not have "such great problems reaching out to younger audience". 3 years ago, I went to a performance of Buz Luhrman's production of "La Bohème" on Broadway. There were young people lining up inside by the box office every single day, waiting for returned tickets, because most of the performances were simply sold out. We had to book ours months in advance before we made the trip. My wife and I attended the matinee, and when we came out, there were a group of about 100 teenage school children who came out with us, and they were in 7th Heaven. They were so thrilled that tears came down the eyes of their teachers who took them there. Having learned that I am an opera singer they asked me to give a short talk about the performance, which I did, and told them that they should visit "the bigger house up the road", which of course is the Metropolitan Opera House at the Lincoln Center. Which works of Lehar and Dvorak were played to make this "middle age son" cringe? There are pieces that make *me* cringe, specially when played or sung badly. I don't think I would care to waste my time - and yours - to try and convince you to join "the grandfather generation". If you've got a problem with your grandfather, that is something you have to take up with him. As for your taste in music, stick to the pop and rap - they suit you. J. |
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you are as "rich" as you are "brilliant."
I will believe you are rich when you tell me something only a rich person would know. Where have you travelled? have you skied in the Italian alps? A rich person would know the best place to say in the alps. Where is that? |
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