Complete smoking ban in UK

catalyzer is supposed to efficiently reduce the emissions of carbon
dioxide

Did you do chemistry at school ?

Oil based fuels are hydrocarbons, basically a mixture of carbon & hydrogen.
When they burn perfectly the carbon becomes carbon dioxide and the hydrogen
become water.

If it doesn't burn perfectly that carbon produces carbon monoxide. Other
****ty constituents in the fuel, like sulphur produces other noxious
products.

There isn't anything you can do about creating that carbon dioxide, that's
the best you can hope for. This happens with perfect clean combustion.

Oh, I didn't do chemistry at school ;-)

Now look at my photographs and maps of Asia at www.peteloud.co.uk

Cheers,


Pete Loud













"Markku Grönroos" wrote in message
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"Pete Loud" kirjoitti
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Diesel vehicles cause pollution, but petrol vehicles with a catalyser
filter have almost zero pollution.



It all depends on what you regard as pollution.

Even perfectly setup diesel and petrol engines chuck out vast amounts of
carbon dioxide. That's what happens when you burn oil based fuels, even
clean oil. Carbon dioxide is what's supposed to be causing global
warming.
I
regard that carbon dioxide as pollutant.

I thought that this meant to a Asia travel newsgroup :-(

When the engine is warm, the catalyzer is supposed to efficiently reduce
the
emissions of carbon dioxide. It is all different when one starts an engine
which has been idle for hours or days in subzero temperatures. Car must be
driven a few kilometers until the catalyzer begins to filter decently.
Naturally there are heating systems (typically electric) which keep
engines
warm as if it was summer when outdoor temperatures are low as in Siberia.
This also improves the odds to ignite the engine in the first place (if
there is any life in car's battery, cold much discharge batteries).

"Pete Loud" kirjoitti
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catalyzer is supposed to efficiently reduce the emissions of carbon
dioxide


There isn't anything you can do about creating that carbon dioxide, that's
the best you can hope for. This happens with perfect clean combustion.

Oh, I didn't do chemistry at school ;-)

I obviously missed you somewhere.

"Markku Grönroos" kirjoitti
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"Pete Loud" kirjoitti
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catalyzer is supposed to efficiently reduce the emissions of carbon
dioxide


There isn't anything you can do about creating that carbon dioxide,
that's
the best you can hope for. This happens with perfect clean combustion.

Oh, I didn't do chemistry at school ;-)

I obviously missed you somewhere.
Now I can see the light. Yes, I was totally wrong with the substance. I had
primarily those hydrocarbons in mind.

Doh!

Mr. magoo slaps himself on the forehead


Markku Grönroos wrote:
"Markku Grönroos" kirjoitti
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"Pete Loud" kirjoitti
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catalyzer is supposed to efficiently reduce the emissions of carbon
dioxide


There isn't anything you can do about creating that carbon dioxide,
that's
the best you can hope for. This happens with perfect clean combustion.

Oh, I didn't do chemistry at school ;-)

I obviously missed you somewhere.
Now I can see the light. Yes, I was totally wrong with the substance. I had
primarily those hydrocarbons in mind.

"Alfred Molon" erred...

Diesel vehicles cause pollution, but petrol vehicles with a catalyser
filter have almost zero pollution.

Even allowing for the previously posted corrections - a cat only begins to
function properly when sufficiently warm (and the lag increases with age) -
up until then it is actually _worse_ than a non-catted old-style engine.
Short hops in your car don't get things properly heated, so around town they
are not doing a lot of good at all!

In article ,
says...
This goes to show just how uninformed you are. Todays diesels are over
99% clean

How uninformed YOU are. Stay behind a diesel car and behind a petrol car
- you will smell the difference. It's so bad, that when I'm driving
behind a diesel car I have to close the air intake to avoid getting all
that rubbish inside.
Diesel exhaust fumes are even carcinogen and older vehicles even have
visible black smoke coming out.
By the way, I live in Germany, one of the (automotively) most advanced
countries in the world.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - 6500 photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

In article ,
says...

Even perfectly setup diesel and petrol engines chuck out vast amounts of
carbon dioxide.

Carbon dioxide is not pollution.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - 6500 photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

In article ,
says...

Even allowing for the previously posted corrections - a cat only begins to
function properly when sufficiently warm (and the lag increases with age) -
up until then it is actually _worse_ than a non-catted old-style engine.
Short hops in your car don't get things properly heated, so around town they
are not doing a lot of good at all!

I've been using a petrol car with a catalyser for over 10 years. Even
after 10 years of use the car still passed the strict emission check you
have to do every two years here in Germany.
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Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - 6500 photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

Alfred,

You'd do better sticking to photography which you do very well, than trying
to be an expert on pollution from vehicles.

Cheers,


Pete Loud
http://www.peteloud.uggle.co.uk/photos/photos.html
Not 65,000 - but a few dozen photos of Asia & Europe, but they're good ;-)
.. . . . . Oh, and loads of great maps of Asia

"Alfred Molon" kirjoitti
s.com...
In article ,
says...
This goes to show just how uninformed you are. Todays diesels are over
99% clean

How uninformed YOU are. Stay behind a diesel car and behind a petrol car
- you will smell the difference. It's so bad, that when I'm driving
behind a diesel car I have to close the air intake to avoid getting all
that rubbish inside.
Diesel exhaust fumes are even carcinogen and older vehicles even have
visible black smoke coming out.
By the way, I live in Germany, one of the (automotively) most advanced
countries in the world.
--

In Finland we had East German made Wartburgs plying on our roads. Fumes out
from their exhaust pipes smelled exotic. At some time not much before the
state collapsed their car factory introduced a four stroke version which
turned to be so expensive that shipping of these cars to Finland didn't ever
start if I recall right. Smelling and polluting are naturally two different
things.