Military Coup in the offing

Pan wrote:


Where do you get the idea that the race between Bush and Kerry was the
closest in history?


50.7% to 48.2% in favour of Bush seems pretty close. And I remember some
news guy commenting about it being the closest in history. I even seem
to remember you posting in this newsgroup [prior to the results]
predicting a Kerry victory. I could be wrong on all counts though.


That just doesn't cut it with me. I could similarly say that if the
people of a country choose to let a bad dictator lord it over them, then
they deserve the circumstances they find themselves in.


Well, what's your solution? Who would you have choosing the
leadership, if not the people?


Actually I don't have one. I am just getting more and more disillusioned
with democracy. Growing up exposed to western propaganda led me to
believe that democracy = good and communist = evil. I also believed that
democracy was a magic wand/ tool that could solve a lot of problems in a
country. If a country was communist, it's people suffered [which AFAIK
is true] and the U.S. prescribes democracy. The US projects an image of
being the greatest advocate of democracy.

But I see that democracy does have its flaws. Countries that are
democratic do not automatically = good. Some countries wallow in
democracy and flip flop between democratically elected idiots that dont
seem to improve their lives at all. Witness Phillipines and Indonesia.
Whereas if their one of the stronger leaders, i.e. Ramos had clung on to
power with undemocratic means, he might have improved the country. Ok,
that opens up a whole can of worms but, looking back, I just can't help
thinking what might have been if ...


I mostly agree with the things you say about democracy, but frustrating
and infuriating pretty much sums up what I think about democracy when it
comes to SE Asia.


That's no different from the experience of the opposition in every
country with an elective system of government. Get used to it.

Well I don't have much of a choice, do I?


You don't, I don't, none of us do. Except for evildoers who would
presume to wrest power illegally.

People do all sorts of illegal things to get voted in democratically too.


Michael

If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the NOTRASH. Please do not email me something which you also posted.

Dave Baker wrote:
On 6 Mar 2006 04:35:30 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:

Note the claim that those who support Bush are somehow less educated
and less "cosmopolitan". They just aren't quite as good as you
self-proclaimed elites are. Are they?

I didn't make up the voting pattern, nor the analysis.

You didn't make up the voting pattern but you certainly made up the
analysis. Yes the people on the East Coast and some of the West Coast
voted more Democratic. But *YOU* claimed that the East Coast Lieberals
who voted against Bush were "more cosmopolitan and educated". Those
words were *YOURS*. And that's where the elitism comes in.

But not only are you an elitist, you're also wrong about the analysis.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../epolls.0.html

People with less than a high school education voted for Kerry over Bush
50% to 49%. Post grads (the elitists you seem to like) also voted for
Kerry 55 to 44. But of course they were also the largest supporters of
Ralph Nader.

People with a some college voted Bush 54 to 46. People with University
degrees voted Bush 52 to 46.

Since the number of people with post grads is small in comparison with
the other groups, if you weight the averages it's quite clear that the
pattern is the more educated people voted for Bush. Not Kerry.

Cosmopolitan? Well there is no category for that. But let's look at
income levels as a hint. Those under $50,000 a year voted 55/44 for
Kerry. Those over $50,000 voted 56/43 Bush.

People who work full time voted for Bush 53/45

Married people voted for Bush 57/42.

Bottom line: Uneducated poor who don't work and can't keep a spouse
voted for Kerry. Educated middle and upper class with jobs and families
voted for Bush.

Interesting definition of "cosmopolitan" that you seem to have.

Do you think 2004 was a "quirk". Here's a summary from 2000:

http://www.maitreg.com/politics/elec.../exitpolls.asp

"Gore won voters with no high school diploma and those with
post-graduate degrees, but Bush won among high school graduates, those
who attended college, and those who graduated college."

Same as 2004

1996?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/...ll/index1.html

Clinton won 49% of the vote. But he won 59% of those who earn less than
$15,000 a year. And 59% of those with no high school diploma. Only 48%
of those with some college and 44% of those with college degrees. Dole
won 46% of those with college degrees.

I'm just pointing out the similarities. Seems you voted for Bush? :-)

Yes. I'm not an elitist.

I suggest you go back to looking for that building in Bangkok that says
Unocal on the front door. Maybe it's in the magic wardrobe upstairs.

I suggest you put your money where your mouth is. I have the form on my desk
waiting for you. Until then, your yapping doesn't interest me at all.

As I said before, go ahead and open the escrow account. Send me the
account number and I'll transfer the money into it. No problem. Nothing
stopping you other than the fact that you know you're wrong.

Unless of course you're one of those "uneducated poor" who don't know
what an escrow account is and wouldn't have any money to put in it
anyway.

You made the challenge. Act on it.

(Yeah, right.)

.....lobert.... wrote:
Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Pan wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:32 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@..
wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:37:43 +0800, "....lobert...."
wrote:

[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand
remain peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind of
"peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.
You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's
"peace"? **** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against
Thais or Thailand.

So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

But in this thread he was right - you did the idiotic accusations - and
still do! So there is no loss to anyone if you don't post anymore in
SCT!

These outsider want Thais to be flooded with drug smugglers and peddlers
and racial and religion riots in Southern Thailand. Thailand should
follow Indonesia to arrest all these foreigners in Bali.


lobert: somebody said you're a "****ing Idiot" and you just proved it
again - look at the result our PM has brought: over 1,000 dead in my
area and "alleged" thousands of drug dealers executed commando style.
And you brainless Idiot have the nerves to say that with this style we
have peace? Go back to your Sillypore and learn how to read, or better
**** off from SCT, you are not qualified. Where in this thread I or the
others have advocated for sectarian violence or for free drugs?
You are the worst class of human being - those that know **** but have
a big mouth!

ardeedee wrote:
LOL Lobert is he talking to you or about you LOL?

Actually I was talking to that **** for brains guy (from Sillypore),
and that was to him and certainly about him.
It is those dumb people like him, that have zero information but make
the world crazy, nobody advocated drugs or violence - bit this **** for
brains probably can't even read. Nothing worse than people that know
absolutely nothing but talk big!





"Chabon 19" wrote in message
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....lobert.... wrote:
Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Pan wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:32 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@..
wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:37:43 +0800, "....lobert...."

wrote:

[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand
remain peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind
of
"peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.
You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus
all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's
"peace"? **** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing
against
Thais or Thailand.

So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

But in this thread he was right - you did the idiotic accusations -
and
still do! So there is no loss to anyone if you don't post anymore in
SCT!

These outsider want Thais to be flooded with drug smugglers and peddlers
and racial and religion riots in Southern Thailand. Thailand should
follow Indonesia to arrest all these foreigners in Bali.


lobert: somebody said you're a "****ing Idiot" and you just proved it
again - look at the result our PM has brought: over 1,000 dead in my
area and "alleged" thousands of drug dealers executed commando style.
And you brainless Idiot have the nerves to say that with this style we
have peace? Go back to your Sillypore and learn how to read, or better
**** off from SCT, you are not qualified. Where in this thread I or the
others have advocated for sectarian violence or for free drugs?
You are the worst class of human being - those that know **** but have
a big mouth!

On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:39:09 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@.. wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:32 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@..
wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:37:43 +0800, "....lobert...."
wrote:

[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand
remain peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind of
"peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.

You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's
"peace"? **** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against
Thais or Thailand.


So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

Regardless of whether you reply to him, he has a valid point.

Dave

On 7 Mar 2006 03:30:21 -0800, "Tchiowa" wrote:

I didn't make up the voting pattern, nor the analysis.

You didn't make up the voting pattern but you certainly made up the
analysis.

Yawn - go & get yourself one of those pretty red & blue maps.

Yes the people on the East Coast and some of the West Coast
voted more Democratic.

Oh, funny - now you want to agree?

I suggest you put your money where your mouth is. I have the form on my desk
waiting for you. Until then, your yapping doesn't interest me at all.

As I said before, go ahead and open the escrow account. Send me the
account number and I'll transfer the money into it. No problem. Nothing
stopping you other than the fact that you know you're wrong.

Still yapping?

Dave

Dave Baker wrote:
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:39:09 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@.. wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:32 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@..
wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:37:43 +0800, "....lobert...."
wrote:

[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand
remain peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind of
"peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.

You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's
"peace"? **** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against
Thais or Thailand.


So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

Regardless of whether you reply to him, he has a valid point.

Dave

If you think that this dumbass will acceptthat, thenm you're plain
wrong, he was born dumb and will die dumb - and in the meantime he
commented on SCT issues without knowing anything, that will be the sad
story of his life.

"....lobert...." wrote ...
Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Pan wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote:
Pan wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote:
[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand remain
peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind
of "peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.

You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's "peace"?
**** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against Thais or
Thailand.

So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

But in this thread he was right - you did the idiotic accusations - and
still do! So there is no loss to anyone if you don't post anymore in SCT!

These outsider want Thais to be flooded with drug smugglers and peddlers
and racial and religion riots in Southern Thailand. Thailand should follow
Indonesia to arrest all these foreigners in Bali.

lobert, you're making accusations (of 'these outsiders,' this time) AGAIN.
You object to vulgar language while making vulgar accusations.

Why pretend to be so 'outraged' that anyone would speak to you coarsely when
you make accusations like "Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful"
?
(try to answer that question without making more vulgar accusations, please)

If you can get that far, try to tell why Pan's TRUE mention of the violence
in the South and the summary executions of people thought to be
drug dealers, doesn't show Thailand as being NOT very peaceful. You *might*
also consider that the _reported_ murder rate per capita in Thailand is well
over that of the United States.
It's all true.
Sorry if you don't like it, but accusing people of nasty things you say they
'want' isn't going to prove anything other than that you'd rather make
accusations than have a reasonable discussion--though your accusations CAN
get some people ****ed off at you.
Is that what you're trying for here?
If not . ..
-maxwell

Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Pan wrote:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:18:32 +0800, "....lobert...." lobert@..
wrote:

Pan wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:37:43 +0800, "....lobert...."
wrote:

[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand
remain peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind of
"peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.
You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's
"peace"? **** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against
Thais or Thailand.

So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.
But in this thread he was right - you did the idiotic accusations - and
still do! So there is no loss to anyone if you don't post anymore in
SCT!

These outsider want Thais to be flooded with drug smugglers and peddlers
and racial and religion riots in Southern Thailand. Thailand should
follow Indonesia to arrest all these foreigners in Bali.


lobert: somebody said you're a "****ing Idiot" and you just proved it
again - look at the result our PM has brought: over 1,000 dead in my
area and "alleged" thousands of drug dealers executed commando style.
And you brainless Idiot have the nerves to say that with this style we
have peace? Go back to your Sillypore and learn how to read, or better
**** off from SCT, you are not qualified. Where in this thread I or the
others have advocated for sectarian violence or for free drugs?
You are the worst class of human being - those that know **** but have
a big mouth!


You are ****ing idiot like Pan, making stupid noise against the Thais
and hoping another military coup in Thailand. The 1000 dead are like
pest in the society and have to be terminated like pest. What human
right some outsiders are talking should go back to where they come from
and see what human right they have in their own countries.

maxwell wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote ...
Chabon 19 wrote:
....lobert.... wrote:
Pan wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote:
Pan wrote:
"....lobert...." wrote:
[snip]
Some outsiders just cannot see countries like Thailand remain
peaceful
[snip]

Peaceful? Is that what Thailand is? I don't think I want that kind
of "peace" to break out all over!

Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful.

You're a ****ing idiot. Over 1,000 dead in Southern Thailand, plus all
the alleged drug dealers summarily shot dead without trial. That's "peace"?
**** you for your idiotic accusations. I have nothing against Thais or
Thailand.

So you are resort to vulgar language and I am not going to reply to
people like you.

But in this thread he was right - you did the idiotic accusations - and
still do! So there is no loss to anyone if you don't post anymore in SCT!

These outsider want Thais to be flooded with drug smugglers and peddlers
and racial and religion riots in Southern Thailand. Thailand should follow
Indonesia to arrest all these foreigners in Bali.

lobert, you're making accusations (of 'these outsiders,' this time) AGAIN.
You object to vulgar language while making vulgar accusations.

Why pretend to be so 'outraged' that anyone would speak to you coarsely when
you make accusations like "Of course you don't want Thailand to be peaceful"
?
(try to answer that question without making more vulgar accusations, please)

If you can get that far, try to tell why Pan's TRUE mention of the violence
in the South and the summary executions of people thought to be
drug dealers, doesn't show Thailand as being NOT very peaceful. You *might*
also consider that the _reported_ murder rate per capita in Thailand is well
over that of the United States.
It's all true.
Sorry if you don't like it, but accusing people of nasty things you say they
'want' isn't going to prove anything other than that you'd rather make
accusations than have a reasonable discussion--though your accusations CAN
get some people ****ed off at you.
Is that what you're trying for here?
If not . ..
-maxwell


you are another idiot who want to see Thailand remain in drug peddling
openly and religious riot in S Thailand to carry on, Yes, shoot all
these pest like pest, what human right are you talking?