17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey

On 25 jun, 15:02, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:
wrote:
On 25 jun, 14:30, Martin wrote:

If there was a referendum in UK, I doubt if a majority would support UK
being in the EU, never mind anybody else joining the EU.

Precisely why there has never been a referendum?

Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.

I mean ... apart from that one looks innocent

B;

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:48 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:44:05 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
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Spain and Portugal are hardly newer EU states, and their support isn't
far behind the UK.

Turkey lost some of my support by charging me more for a "visa" than they
charged my wife.

I hadn't realised I'd need a visa to go, never mind pay for one. That
would put me off going.

You mean you haven't been?

Nope, I'll go when they're in the EU and I don't need a visa!

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"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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Following up to "William Black" wrote:

Almost everything I see on the subject on Internet emanating from UK is
anti EU.

Odd that isn't it.

i never seem to hear a good word about the EU and there now seems to
be more disgruntalment about pushing constitutional stuff through the
back door.
It struck me for the first time in Shetland that all the scandanavians
and the UK have crosses on thier flags while all the countries to the
south and west have tricolours, ive yet to get get drunk enough to
decide what it proves.
--
Mike Reid
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Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Precisely why there has never been a referendum?

Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.

when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
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The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

Precisely why there has never been a referendum?

Sure there was- 1975, and it got 67% support.

when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?

Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?

Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.

i dont think any constitutional expansion would ever get through, as
elsewhere recently. I think the politicians know that, hence no vote.
A vote to pull out would probably scare people into voting to stay in,
maybe.
A lot would depend on the media, who were all for it back in the 70s
but all agin it now.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
to email remove clothing.

The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

when most thought they were voting for a trading club called the
Common Market, what would it get now, 30% ?

Given that 33% actually think it's a good thing (the largest number are
'don't knows) I'd say it would pass easily, but not resoundingly.

i dont think any constitutional expansion would ever get through, as
elsewhere recently.

I don't think so either (it didn't pass in other countries) but I was
talking about what would happen if there was a vote to _remain_ in the
EU. As I've said, this is something people _love_ to moan and bitch
about, but membership of the EU would be seen as a necessary reality for
most people, despite what they might say.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

As I've said, this is something people _love_ to moan and bitch
about, but membership of the EU would be seen as a necessary reality for
most people, despite what they might say.

i think so. Unless they did the referendum the day after admitting
Turkey!

I think a referendum on making the EU just a trade club would be
interesting.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
to email remove clothing.

The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

As I've said, this is something people _love_ to moan and bitch
about, but membership of the EU would be seen as a necessary reality for
most people, despite what they might say.

i think so. Unless they did the referendum the day after admitting
Turkey!

Why? Almost 50% of the UK support admitting Turkey- next to Hungary the
highest support of any EU country.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Martin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:22:36 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

As I've said, this is something people _love_ to moan and bitch
about, but membership of the EU would be seen as a necessary reality for
most people, despite what they might say.

i think so. Unless they did the referendum the day after admitting
Turkey!

Why? Almost 50% of the UK support admitting Turkey- next to Hungary the
highest support of any EU country.

yeah but how many know that Turkey charge UK citizens a higher visa feel than
other citizens of the EU? :-) They even have a separate queue for Brits at
immigration.

The latter is a plus surely? One disincentive for my partner to take UK
citizenship (he's eligible in a few months) is a) the cost, b) the
_stupid_ citizenship test and c) having to wait longer in immigration
when he enters the UK on nearly all flights.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007