17 yr old jailed after holiday flirt in Turkey

Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

i think so. Unless they did the referendum the day after admitting
Turkey!

Why? Almost 50% of the UK support admitting Turkey-

do they really! Thats a surprise.
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
wrote:

On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote:
On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote:
wrote in message
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Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
human rights and international law.
Like Bulgaria?
Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".
Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet,
Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song
Contest.

North African countries, Jordan and the Lebanon are eligible to apply
too.


Why EU? let's call it Roman Empire.

ciao, U.

Following up to Martin :

What is a bad thing is that most criticism is based on criticising the EU for
internal UK problems that are not caused by the EU.

Before UK joined the EU problems were blamed on the war and ???

I think you've seen this before Martin, but others may not have...:

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/pr...s/index_en.htm


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Tim C.

Following up to :

On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote:
On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote:
wrote in message

groups.com...

Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
human rights and international law.

Like Bulgaria?

Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".

Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet,

Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song
Contest.


Eurovision is - as I'm sure you know - an association of some major Euro TV
stations, which is why it's called the /Eurovision/ Song Contest as opposed
to the /European/ Song contest. Any arguments as to whether non-European
countries should be allowed to take part should be addressed to the
programme director, ARD, Germany. :-)
--
Tim C.

yeah but how many know that Turkey charge UK citizens a higher visa feel than
other citizens of the EU? :-)

I think visa fees are reciprocal, probably this is a reaction to what
the UK charges Turks for visas. The prices for Turkish visas vary
wildly by nationality and follow no logic I could see - last time I
looked at the board at an airport, the charges for Canada, Ukraine and
Brazil were way more expensive than anywhere else.

The other way they might have got to that figure is by charging one
handy-sized banknote - ten pounds, ten euros, what's the diff. I've
only encountered that system of payment at one other place, a roadside
toilet in Bulgaria that charged three of *any* currency unit you had
on you. (In value for money, it ought to have been hyperinflation-era
Weimar Deutschmarks).


They even have a separate queue for Brits at immigration.

Not at any airport or crossing point I've been at. I suppose it
might make sense to do that at a terminal which mainly handles
British charter flights.

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Martin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:38:22 +0200, UC wrote:

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
wrote:

On 25 jun, 14:35, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote:
On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
human rights and international law.
Like Bulgaria?
Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".
Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet,
Just a matter of time - after all, Israel are in the Eurovision Song
Contest.

North African countries, Jordan and the Lebanon are eligible to apply
too.


Why EU? let's call it Roman Empire.

Are you going to kick out the Scots and Scandinavians?

I was thinking the same thing!

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:33:02 -0700, wrote:

On 25 jun, 14:14, "William Black" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

Rejection of Turkey's application is not racially motivated, it's
simply because Turkey does not meet basic standards of respect for
human rights and international law.

Like Bulgaria?

Confucius, he say "two rong not make a right".

Taiwan hasn't applied for EU membership - yet,


I think that prospective members have to have an apprenticeship which
includes participating in the Eurovision Song contest.
--


JohnT

schrieb:
On 25 jun, 14:39, "William Black" wrote:

France and Germany don't want Turkey in the EC, mainly because a Muslim
state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever.

A Muslim state? Surely Turkey is a secular state? :-)

B;

In theory, yes. In practice, being a secular state means that the
Christian church - orthodox and western - is persecuted.

T.

Even according to German law (section 176 StGB) sexual acts on children of
less than 14 years would be a criminal offense, but in Germany the boy would
not have been put into custody. One way out would have been to say "she
claimed she was 15 and looked like 15".

I do not think this will endanger Turkey's EU ambitions, but many
hotel-keepers might like to give the boy and the girl a decent spanking, not
to mention the judge who put the boy behind bars.

Any families with not-so-young children who look for a different place to go
on holiday?

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:39:50 GMT, "William Black"
mangled uncounted electrons thus:

snip

Let's be brutally honest here.

France and Germany don't want Turkey in the EC, mainly because a Muslim
state would scupper the idea of a 'United States of Europe' forever.

The UK does, mainly because a Muslim state would scupper the idea of a
'United States of Europe' forever...

Aha! A graduate of the Sir Humphrey Appleby School of Foreign
Relations... ^_-

snip

Martin D. Pay
Anti-EU (in its present form), pro-Commonwealth (as a
principal)...