Laptop China?

On Aug 4, 12:38*pm, Tom P wrote:
PeterL wrote:
On Aug 4, 9:05 am, Tom P wrote:
PeterL wrote:
On Aug 3, 3:06 pm, Tom P wrote:
Question from a first time visitor: with upcoming business trip to China
looking possible, what problems might I get bringing a laptop into the
country?
No too much, unless you want to connect to Falungon sites, or Amnesty
International. *I understand that US state dept employees traveling to
China always carry a "clean" laptop with them. *So if you have any
high level trade secrets you may want to be cautious.
* That is exactly my concern. The reason for bringing a laptop at all is
the material essential to my work, much of which is confidential. I do
not want customs or police or anyone else snooping round and maybe
confiscating data or the whole laptop. *What happens if I encrypt stuff?
Does that make it look incriminating?

Never heard of Chinese customs confiscating laptops. *If you have
confidential trade secrets yes do encrypt or store the stuff online
where you can access it or carry it on a memory stick.

Actually the US government has the right to confiscate anyone's
computer on entry into the US without having to give a reason. *So
there.

Snap. This just showed up on another NG:http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government/...aptops/?kc=rss

I thought the Chinese were supposed to be the totalitarian ones, and the
US the bastian of fredom an democracy

Ha. I have some land in Florida I want to sell to you.

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:05:13 +0200, the renowned Tom P
wrote:

PeterL wrote:
On Aug 3, 3:06 pm, Tom P wrote:
Question from a first time visitor: with upcoming business trip to China
looking possible, what problems might I get bringing a laptop into the
country?


No too much, unless you want to connect to Falungon sites, or Amnesty
International. I understand that US state dept employees traveling to
China always carry a "clean" laptop with them. So if you have any
high level trade secrets you may want to be cautious.

That is exactly my concern. The reason for bringing a laptop at all is
the material essential to my work, much of which is confidential. I do
not want customs or police or anyone else snooping round and maybe
confiscating data or the whole laptop. What happens if I encrypt stuff?
Does that make it look incriminating?

These days, I'd not carry anything *too* interesting over borders. The
US has been known to image laptops, and others may not be too far
behind. If you really need to bring "somewhat" interesting stuff,
maybe put it on an 8G SD card and copy it over later.

OTOH, if I were to take along certain information relating to
controlled goods on an overseas trip, even if it stays 'securely' on a
laptop constantly in my posession, I'd be committing a crime unless I
had an appropriate export permit, so that won't ever happen under any
circumstances.

I've never had anything but cordial and businesslike experiences
dealing with Chinese border officials.. unless you're a troublemaker
I'd expect the same for you. Just about everyone on business is
carrying a laptop. Unless there's something unusual about your
situation there's very little to worry about. What happens if your
laptop gets stolen and shows up at a night market? That's a lot more
likely than anyone official even looking at it on the way in.


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In article , Tom P says...
Question from a first time visitor: with upcoming business trip to China
looking possible, what problems might I get bringing a laptop into the
country?

I've travelled four times to China between 2004 and 2007 with a notebook
computer. Never had any problems entering the country. They couldn't
have cared less about my notebook computer.
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

"Alfred Molon" kirjoitti
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I've travelled four times to China between 2004 and 2007 with a notebook
computer. Never had any problems entering the country. They couldn't
have cared less about my notebook computer.
--
Getting in and out people can be a bit more problematic (at least time
consuming and laborious). I have been only once to China and even then it
was not intentional but I was re-routed via Beijing to Singapore.

I arrived in the Beijing international airport with a few other passengers
from Moscow with an Aeroflot clearance for air tickets to Singapore. We were
escorted by a nervous Chinese man. He handed to us declarations both for
entering China and for departing China. I was wondering in loud that we are
actually transit passengers (I didn't know by then that we were not in the
transit area). He later took away both copies of the Aeroflot letters. Later
an Airport police collected our passports (I was wondering who is going to
undress us from all our clothes next).

Eventually the nervous chap came back with the necessary boarding passes and
so did the police officer with the passports. Then we went to queue for the
transit hall. At a check point we got stamps on our passports and we handed
over the entry declarations (we were actually leaving the country not
entering it). Finally we boarded the flight which had one scheduled
intermediate landing at Xiamen. So the first leg was a domestic flight.

At Xiamen all the passengers were called to leave the plane and wait the
departure to Singapore in the terminal building. There was a passport
control point. All the passengers for Singapore had to walk through it.
There I gave the departure declaration to the officials. Then re-boarding
the plane and leaving behind the odd country and odd practices.

I guess, there's no problem if you bring your own laptop during your
trip. I have a friend who went brought also his own laptop and he
didn't encounter any problems. There are lots of hot spots available
for the internet.


--
Thailand
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Thailand wrote;

I guess, there's no problem if you bring your own laptop during your
trip. I have a friend who went brought also his own laptop and he
didn't encounter any problems. There are lots of hot spots available
for the internet.

I recently installed TOR in my laptop. It bores right through firewalls and
filters setup to block websites.

rg

In article , Sharkbait says...

I recently installed TOR in my laptop. It bores right through firewalls and
filters setup to block websites.

Where can you download that software?
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

http://www.torproject.org/


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In article , Sharkbait says...

I recently installed TOR in my laptop. It bores right through firewalls
and
filters setup to block websites.

Where can you download that software?
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe