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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Mon, 03 May 2004 07:13:09 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote: "Brian Wickham" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:33:08 GMT, wrote: That's four. They don't have to famous Republicans you know, so you can pad the list a little. How about all the Republicans who had draft deferments? Brian Bill Clinton isn't and has never been a Republican. KM That's one. But he was a poor boy with a near first rate intelligence. He didn't chug-a-lug his way through college. But since he got a deferment I guess that gives a pass to EVERYBODY currently in the White House! "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148) |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Mon, 03 May 2004 07:13:10 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote: "Brian Wickham" wrote in message .. . How many Republicans does it take to sling mud at a man for fulfilling his military duty? Neither Republicans or anyone else I've noticed is concerned about Kerry's fulfilling his military duties to his country, what concerns them is his anti-America activism and anti-war protests while a war was still in progress; Not anti-American to those with a brain who can understand these kinds of things. If you had been there you would know that the only people in favor of the Vietnam War were those who didn't have to go. They didn't have to pay attention to anything except who held a flag higher than who, or who to beat up for looking "different". his lying about his service in Vietnam and his lying about his protesting after returning from Vietnam; his slandering other soldiers who served in Vietnam What lies? Tell us exactly what you are referring to, if you can. What soldiers did he slander? When? Are you referring to his "atrocity" statement? War breeds atrocities and anyone who has been in a combat zone knows that they are fairly common. How about today's revelations on Iraqi prisoners? Small potatoes as atrocities go but I think they prove the point. And now we start to see what the consequences are of relying on reserves to do occupation duty. Why send professionals when you can send a bunch of rural Virginians who are totally unprepared for the job? Besides, we don't have enough professionals. Good thinking Rummy! And where were you during the Vietnam War? Or Karl Rove? We know where Newt Gingrich was - cheating on one of his wives, probably with the next one. He really took a chance with that college deferment when he could have gotten a pass for moral turpitude. Does that qualify as "courage"? and his staunch refusal to produce ALL of this military records. You've got it backwards, all of Kerry's military records are on the web. George Bush has yet to produce all of his. Both men's records are at http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp That was a nice try though. Everyone knows that someone didn't produce all their records so if you say it was Kerry someone might just believe it. Right wing reasoning. Note: My spell-checker wants to change "Gingrich" to "Gibberish". Even the machines have deserted you Newt! |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Mon, 03 May 2004 07:13:11 GMT, "alohacyberian"
wrote: "Shawn Hearn" wrote in message ... Really? Look at the federal budget that was passed the day after Bush invaded Iraq. Fiscal policy in the United States is set by Congress and only Congress can approve the spending or cutting of spending in the federal government. The American president lacks such authority, which admittedly robs the president-bashers of a lot of hysterical hyperbole. If you'd like to influence or do something about federal spending or lack of it, you need to contact Congress. KM Right! Let's boot out all these spendthrift Republicans! It's the Democrats and just a few conservative Republicans who are clamoring for a balanced budget. Clinton undid the Reagan deficit mess when he agreed with the Republicans and now Dick Cheney says, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." The utter gall of this man! What he really means is "If Democrats want it then we don't, but we reserve the right to change our position if they do." |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
alohacyberian wrote: "John Ramsay" wrote in message ... Boycott Canada wrote: Yep.. He was wounded alright. A scratch on the arm didn't even draw blood, or result in time off. What a hero he was. He got those metals by deception in order to get out of nam. When you are a enlisted man and a officer says medic I'm wounded, What can you say but yes, sir. 3 purple heart in 4 months with no time off, give me a break. Also one of his commanders said, "There wasn't even any shooting going on one of the times he was injured." The just went under a low hanging branch that scratched him. What a hero..... You seem to have trouble with basic facts. Kerry was an officer, not an enlisted man. That's precisely what was posted, that Kerry was the commissioned officer and the medic was an enlisted man. And nothing Kerry did in Vietnam or claimed to have done in Vietnam is in any way connected to or involved with George W. Bush, whom you may bash to your heart's content, but, such sidestepping in no way exhonerates or excuses Kerry's behavior or words. And the unanswered question remains: why hasn't Kerry released ALL of his military records? Is he hiding something? KM -- Military records are subject to Freedom of Information legislation. Kerry can not suppress his. Try a google search for Kerry service record and you will find detailed information on his service in Vietnam. In fairness you can also do the same for Bush - The charge that Kerry used his rank to order a medic to certify his wound as qualifying for a Purple Heart comes from the Washington Times article by Charles Hunt. It is speculation on Hunt's part. Not factual journalism - as other journalists have been quick to point out. |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Mon, 03 May 2004 00:43:49 GMT, Brian Wickham
wrote: On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:33:08 GMT, wrote: On Sat, 01 May 2004 05:30:00 GMT, Brian Wickham wrote: Again, Purple Hearts are not for heroism, no matter how much you pretend they are. Silver Stars are. How many Silver Stars are held by the current administration? How many Bronze Stars with V? How many anything? How many Republicans does it take to sling mud at a man for fulfilling his military duty? How many Republicans know what military duty is? John McCain, Dwight Eisenhower, Colin Powell, etc. Even Wesley Clark until he decided he wanted to run for President. That's four. They don't have to famous Republicans you know, so you can pad the list a little. How about all the Republicans who had draft deferments? What's your point? You asked for Republicans so I gave you Republicans. Since you want to make this a party issue. How about naming some Democrats that are alive today that served in military leadership positions. I'd bet Democrats out numbered Republicans that fled to Canada to avoid military service too. What about those crowds of young people that were protesting the Vietnam War in the 60s and 70s. Lots of them were of draft age. What percentage of them do you think were Republican? Why didn't Bill Clinton and friends serve? Brian |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Tue, 04 May 2004 03:55:38 GMT, Brian Wickham
wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2004 07:13:09 GMT, "alohacyberian" wrote: "Brian Wickham" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:33:08 GMT, wrote: That's four. They don't have to famous Republicans you know, so you can pad the list a little. How about all the Republicans who had draft deferments? Brian Bill Clinton isn't and has never been a Republican. KM That's one. But he was a poor boy with a near first rate intelligence. He didn't chug-a-lug his way through college. But since he got a deferment I guess that gives a pass to EVERYBODY currently in the White House! What's that have to do with anything. He was eligible and chose not to serve. In fact he went extra ordinary lengths to avoid service. How many in the Clinton Administration served besides Gore the Journalist? "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148) So what's your point? |
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"Canada" The Deserters Choice
On Tue, 04 May 2004 04:25:31 GMT, Brian Wickham
wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2004 07:13:10 GMT, "alohacyberian" wrote: "Brian Wickham" wrote in message . .. How many Republicans does it take to sling mud at a man for fulfilling his military duty? Neither Republicans or anyone else I've noticed is concerned about Kerry's fulfilling his military duties to his country, what concerns them is his anti-America activism and anti-war protests while a war was still in progress; Not anti-American to those with a brain who can understand these kinds of things. If you had been there you would know that the only people in favor of the Vietnam War were those who didn't have to go. They didn't have to pay attention to anything except who held a flag higher than who, or who to beat up for looking "different". I suppose the next thing you are going to claim is that you were there too. his lying about his service in Vietnam and his lying about his protesting after returning from Vietnam; his slandering other soldiers who served in Vietnam What lies? Tell us exactly what you are referring to, if you can. What soldiers did he slander? When? Are you referring to his "atrocity" statement? War breeds atrocities and anyone who has been in a combat zone knows that they are fairly common. How about today's revelations on Iraqi prisoners? Small potatoes as atrocities go but I think they prove the point. And now we start to see what the consequences are of relying on reserves to do occupation duty. Why send professionals when you can send a bunch of rural Virginians who are totally unprepared for the job? Besides, we don't have enough professionals. Good thinking Rummy! And where were you during the Vietnam War? Or Karl Rove? We know where Newt Gingrich was - cheating on one of his wives, probably with the next one. He really took a chance with that college deferment when he could have gotten a pass for moral turpitude. Does that qualify as "courage"? Obviously you a Democrat with an agenda. Considering that John Kennedy really got us involved in Vietnam, where was Ted Kennedy? You also are just parroting since you assume incorrectly what deferment Gingrich had. and his staunch refusal to produce ALL of this military records. You've got it backwards, all of Kerry's military records are on the web. George Bush has yet to produce all of his. Both men's records are at http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp The above certainly sounds like a really unbiased site. OTOH it's on the internet so it must be true! That was a nice try though. Everyone knows that someone didn't produce all their records so if you say it was Kerry someone might just believe it. Right wing reasoning. Note: My spell-checker wants to change "Gingrich" to "Gibberish". Even the machines have deserted you Newt! |
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