Paris Notes (2)

jenn writes:

today in the US 'native Americans' refer to themselves as Indians --

So they are making the same mistake as everyone else.

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jenn writes:

today in the US 'native Americans' refer to themselves as Indians --

So they are making the same mistake as everyone else.

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writes:

Indeed, but we can't change the past.

We don't have to. We need only worry about the present and future.

Unless it is obvious from the context that it means that and not an
aboriginal American, I am sure nearly everybody would both intend and take
it to mean an aboriginal American.

Then they need to correct their understanding. It's rather like
assuming that gay means homosexual, which leaves us without a way to
actually say gay.

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writes:

Indeed, but we can't change the past.

We don't have to. We need only worry about the present and future.

Unless it is obvious from the context that it means that and not an
aboriginal American, I am sure nearly everybody would both intend and take
it to mean an aboriginal American.

Then they need to correct their understanding. It's rather like
assuming that gay means homosexual, which leaves us without a way to
actually say gay.

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Donna Evleth writes:

I know this. But Europeans do not always know this. So that is why I
appended the "as in native Americans," to distinguish from Indians from
India. I really do know the difference. Honest.

But you give the impression that all native Americans are "Indians,"
when in fact only a minority are aboriginal (the apparent intended
meaning of "Indian").

A more logical usage:

Indian = from India
native American = born in America
aboriginal American = of immemorial American ancestry

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Donna Evleth writes:

I know this. But Europeans do not always know this. So that is why I
appended the "as in native Americans," to distinguish from Indians from
India. I really do know the difference. Honest.

But you give the impression that all native Americans are "Indians,"
when in fact only a minority are aboriginal (the apparent intended
meaning of "Indian").

A more logical usage:

Indian = from India
native American = born in America
aboriginal American = of immemorial American ancestry

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Mxsmanic wrote:

A more logical usage:

Indian = from India
native American = born in America
aboriginal American = of immemorial American ancestry

Usage isn't logical; it's consensual.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

A more logical usage:

Indian = from India
native American = born in America
aboriginal American = of immemorial American ancestry

Usage isn't logical; it's consensual.

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In article , jenn
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

jenn writes:


duh -- that is what they call themselves and what they were
traditionally called


They traditionally called themselves by various names, depending on
their tribes.



today in the US 'native Americans' refer to themselves as Indians --
this may change tomorrow

Tell that to all the High Schools that have been pressured to change
their team names.

jay
Thu Jul 29, 2004

In article , jenn
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

jenn writes:


duh -- that is what they call themselves and what they were
traditionally called


They traditionally called themselves by various names, depending on
their tribes.



today in the US 'native Americans' refer to themselves as Indians --
this may change tomorrow

Tell that to all the High Schools that have been pressured to change
their team names.

jay
Thu Jul 29, 2004