Eliat, Israel

Bjorn Olsson wrote in message
om...
"a.spencer3" wrote in message
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Dave Smith wrote in message
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Fear mongering my ass. I responding to the post that suggested that
people visit
Egypt instead of Israel because it was supposedly so safe. I have a
nephew
who
just returned from three weeks in Egypt. He said that he could go out
for
a walk
at 3 am and feel perfectly safe...... because there was a policeman on
every
corner. He also travelled with a body guard.


'A policeman on every corner' is a gross exaggeration, but even if there
had
been, what is therefore the complaint? 3 a.m. in any major city
(assuming he
was) has its potential dangers.
Frankly, I also would feel safer in Cairo than in Jerusalem at the
moment.

Sounds irrational. Cairo has much worse traffic, probably causing many
more accidents than in Jerusalem. In case of an accident, it would
probably take much longer to reach a hospital in Cairo, and the
standard of medical help received would be lower.


True - far worse than any terrorist threat! :-))

Surreyman

Dave Smith wrote in message
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Miguel Cruz wrote:


Yes, it was in 1997, 16 years after people from the same group killed
Anwar Sadat. They had also been responsible for a number of other
attacks
on tourists in Egypt.

And the Egyptians have pretty much managed to oppress this group into
the
ground. There have been no similar attacks in recent years, nor is there
the
sense that they will be repeated.

The Egyptians have certainly clamped down on the extremists who were
responsible
for some of the attacks. The omnipresent armed security suggests to me
that
they have reacted to the problem, but that the threat is not totally
removed.
There is also a very visible police presence in a lot of European centres.
There are places in Paris, like Place Concorde, where you see police with
submachine guns standing at every corner. It may indicate an increased
chance of
them apprehending pickpockets and muggers, and it may scare them away, but
the
threat remains.

There remains a threat of unexploded land mines in several areas, such as
the
some desert and coastal areas, notably the Mediterranean shore, the
Western
Desert, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Western shore of the Gulf of Suez.
Visitors
should follow local advice, especially if travelling off-road.


Local advice?
The sign I liked in the southern Sinai said 'Please place mines in box'!

Surreyman

Miguel Cruz wrote in message
...
Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality, fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack
of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town
New
Zealand.

Then again I haven't been to Egypt yet.


Well, 'total lack of crime' is a bit strong! But generally you're absolutely
right, of course. And Egypt is the same - probably with even more
friendliness, especially in the country areas. My vote for the most friendly
& safe goes to Morocco.

Surreyman

Dave Smith wrote in message
...
Alfred Molon wrote:


The last bombing in Egypt was six years ago, while in Israel there are
bombings every month.

That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no
risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not consider travelling
anywhere in the
middle east until those people grow up and learn to get along.


Have you ever been there?

Surreyman

Deep Freud Moors wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not
consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality,
fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack
of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town
New
Zealand.

You mean crime and terrorism are not the norm in the middle east? That
box in the corner of my loungeroom has been misleading me...

Yes, it probably is. Have you ever been there?

Surreyman

Deep Freud Moors wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality, fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town New
Zealand.

You mean crime and terrorism are not the norm in the middle east? That
box in the corner of my loungeroom has been misleading me...

Of course it has. That box tells you whenever a bomb goes off
anywhere, but it never tells you that a bomb has not gone off
somewhere. Don't you think that is biased reporting?

Björn

Bjorn Olsson wrote:

"a.spencer3" wrote in message ...
Dave Smith wrote in message
...
Fear mongering my ass. I responding to the post that suggested that
people visit
Egypt instead of Israel because it was supposedly so safe. I have a nephew
who
just returned from three weeks in Egypt. He said that he could go out for
a walk
at 3 am and feel perfectly safe...... because there was a policeman on
every
corner. He also travelled with a body guard.


'A policeman on every corner' is a gross exaggeration, but even if there had
been, what is therefore the complaint? 3 a.m. in any major city (assuming he
was) has its potential dangers.
Frankly, I also would feel safer in Cairo than in Jerusalem at the moment.

Sounds irrational. Cairo has much worse traffic, probably causing many
more accidents than in Jerusalem. In case of an accident, it would
probably take much longer to reach a hospital in Cairo, and the
standard of medical help received would be lower.

Bjorn

I was in Cairo for two weeks last March. Traffic was no problem, not
worse than for example rush hour in Stockholm at 09.00 in the morning.

And drive speed was much lower, it was possible to cruise across a
street without getting hit at 90 km/h.


/Anders

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On 13 Nov 2003 02:23:04 -0800, (Bjorn Olsson) wrote:

Deep Freud Moors wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality, fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town New
Zealand.

You mean crime and terrorism are not the norm in the middle east? That
box in the corner of my loungeroom has been misleading me...

Of course it has. That box tells you whenever a bomb goes off
anywhere, but it never tells you that a bomb has not gone off
somewhere. Don't you think that is biased reporting?

The Jessica Lynch story could have been filmed in a studio. The
coverage was superb! Never mind the facts when you can make a heroine
out of an incompetent, unfortunate teenager.

But hey, if you can't trust the media, who can you trust?
---
DFM

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:14:39 -0000, "a.spencer3"
wrote:


Deep Freud Moors wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not
consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality,
fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack
of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town
New
Zealand.

You mean crime and terrorism are not the norm in the middle east? That
box in the corner of my loungeroom has been misleading me...

Yes, it probably is. Have you ever been there?

Yes, and will probably return. The world is out there to be explored,
and the middle east is only part of it. My list of must-sees is
growing long...
---
DFM

In article ,
Deep Freud Moors wrote:

On 13 Nov 2003 02:23:04 -0800, (Bjorn Olsson) wrote:

Deep Freud Moors wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 GMT, (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:
That may be true, but I was responding to the suggestion that there was
absolutely no risk to travel in Egypt. Personally, I would not
consider
travelling anywhere in the middle east until those people grow up and
learn to get along.

It's your choice, of course, but you're missing out. My recollections of
many trips to the middle east are of overwhelming hospitality,
fascinating
cities, wonderful food, mesmerizing exoticism, great bargains, and a
liberating perception of absolute personal safety (due to the total lack
of
crime) unlike what you can feel in the "west" except maybe in small-town
New
Zealand.

You mean crime and terrorism are not the norm in the middle east? That
box in the corner of my loungeroom has been misleading me...

Of course it has. That box tells you whenever a bomb goes off
anywhere, but it never tells you that a bomb has not gone off
somewhere. Don't you think that is biased reporting?

The Jessica Lynch story could have been filmed in a studio. The
coverage was superb! Never mind the facts when you can make a heroine
out of an incompetent,

How exactly is she incompetent ?

jay
Thu, Nov 13, 2003




unfortunate teenager.

But hey, if you can't trust the media, who can you trust?
---
DFM

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