Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please

Lee wrote:

I think you are kind of misinterpreting things. It has really nothing
to do with snobbery...at all.

There are tons of vacation options available out there that do not
involve dressing up at all. Those folks who choose a cruise vacation
on a mass market (or luxury) cruise line opt for a vacation that does
require (or at least request) a certain degree of dress. There are
cruise vacations out there that do not carry with them a dress code
(Windjammer comes to mind), but for folks who opt for a vacation where
dressing up is part of the experience, your (and other's) disregard
for the expected/requested dress is "offputting".

As you said, your idea of a holiday is to relax and enjoy yourself.
That's great. I think you'll find that most, if not all, cruise
passengers are relaxed and enjoying themselves, even though they take
a little more time to put themselves together before the eveing meal.
Is it really so hard for you to comprehend that some folks actually
ENJOY dressing up a bit while on holiday?

I think the snobbery goes both ways.

Lee

Thank you, Lee, you said it much better than I would have taken the time to ;-).

There are plenty of venues on EVERY mass market cruise ship where one can dress
as he or she wishes, whether it's the buffet or room service, but, in my
opinion, to purposely disregard the evening's dress code in the dining room does
not indicate a lack of snobbishness, what it shows is a lack of respect for
one's fellow passengers and a belief that one is above the rules.

It's like those who try to skip the muster drill or don't settle their accounts
until their names are called five times before disembarkation...

No one is suggesting a top hat and tails every night, just a little civility.

~ Peri

Lee wrote:

I think you are kind of misinterpreting things. It has really nothing
to do with snobbery...at all.

There are tons of vacation options available out there that do not
involve dressing up at all. Those folks who choose a cruise vacation
on a mass market (or luxury) cruise line opt for a vacation that does
require (or at least request) a certain degree of dress. There are
cruise vacations out there that do not carry with them a dress code
(Windjammer comes to mind), but for folks who opt for a vacation where
dressing up is part of the experience, your (and other's) disregard
for the expected/requested dress is "offputting".

As you said, your idea of a holiday is to relax and enjoy yourself.
That's great. I think you'll find that most, if not all, cruise
passengers are relaxed and enjoying themselves, even though they take
a little more time to put themselves together before the eveing meal.
Is it really so hard for you to comprehend that some folks actually
ENJOY dressing up a bit while on holiday?

I think the snobbery goes both ways.

Lee

Thank you, Lee, you said it much better than I would have taken the time to ;-).

There are plenty of venues on EVERY mass market cruise ship where one can dress
as he or she wishes, whether it's the buffet or room service, but, in my
opinion, to purposely disregard the evening's dress code in the dining room does
not indicate a lack of snobbishness, what it shows is a lack of respect for
one's fellow passengers and a belief that one is above the rules.

It's like those who try to skip the muster drill or don't settle their accounts
until their names are called five times before disembarkation...

No one is suggesting a top hat and tails every night, just a little civility.

~ Peri

Lee wrote:

I think you are kind of misinterpreting things. It has really nothing
to do with snobbery...at all.

There are tons of vacation options available out there that do not
involve dressing up at all. Those folks who choose a cruise vacation
on a mass market (or luxury) cruise line opt for a vacation that does
require (or at least request) a certain degree of dress. There are
cruise vacations out there that do not carry with them a dress code
(Windjammer comes to mind), but for folks who opt for a vacation where
dressing up is part of the experience, your (and other's) disregard
for the expected/requested dress is "offputting".

As you said, your idea of a holiday is to relax and enjoy yourself.
That's great. I think you'll find that most, if not all, cruise
passengers are relaxed and enjoying themselves, even though they take
a little more time to put themselves together before the eveing meal.
Is it really so hard for you to comprehend that some folks actually
ENJOY dressing up a bit while on holiday?

I think the snobbery goes both ways.

Lee

Thank you, Lee, you said it much better than I would have taken the time to ;-).

There are plenty of venues on EVERY mass market cruise ship where one can dress
as he or she wishes, whether it's the buffet or room service, but, in my
opinion, to purposely disregard the evening's dress code in the dining room does
not indicate a lack of snobbishness, what it shows is a lack of respect for
one's fellow passengers and a belief that one is above the rules.

It's like those who try to skip the muster drill or don't settle their accounts
until their names are called five times before disembarkation...

No one is suggesting a top hat and tails every night, just a little civility.

~ Peri

I didn't see anything in the brochure about showering. ;o)

"Tom & Linda" wrote in message
t...
IMO, enforcing the long pants kind of forces people to shower and clean up
for dinner, rather than showing up sweaty, full of sun tan oil, from the
pool area.

--Tom

I didn't see anything in the brochure about showering. ;o)

"Tom & Linda" wrote in message
t...
IMO, enforcing the long pants kind of forces people to shower and clean up
for dinner, rather than showing up sweaty, full of sun tan oil, from the
pool area.

--Tom

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:14:57 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article , *bicker*
wrote:

...then treat them as suggestions and dress as you consider
appropriate.

I am getting a vibe that you don't get it.

They expect you to dress as requested, as they consider appropriate,
-----not dress as you consider appropriate.

Exactly .... within the bounds of common sense and good taste,
appropriate is a flexible concept - although apparently not for
everyone.

Bob T.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:10:33 GMT, "Tom & Linda"
wrote:


There are cruises (like NCL) that allow casual dress every evening... albeit
with long pants and a nice shirt (like a golf shirt). They do not have
formal nights like other lines (Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Princess,
Celebrity, etc.).

.... and if those cruises don't happen to be going where you wanted to
go ???

If putting on a pair of slacks (dockers, etc.) for dinner in a fancy dining
room is too much of a hassle... perhaps you should look elsewhere. A cruise
might not be your cup of tea.

A cruise is exactly my cup of tea .... but it would appear that you
prefer to dictate to those who prefer coffee ... or soft drink .. or
even plain old water. I cruise to get to places, to see new countries
and to enjoy the benefits of having my hotel go with me. Of course
there are those who simply cruise for the social life and to be
pretentious, and for them appearances may be an end it itself. Sad,
really, that those who want to perform insist that their audience wear
costumes as well.

IMO, enforcing the long pants kind of forces people to shower and clean up
for dinner, rather than showing up sweaty, full of sun tan oil, from the
pool area.

Now you're being silly ...... it is a quantum leap from sweaty and
smelly to dinner suite and tie. The words "neat, casual" come to mind.

Bob T.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:10:33 GMT, "Tom & Linda"
wrote:


There are cruises (like NCL) that allow casual dress every evening... albeit
with long pants and a nice shirt (like a golf shirt). They do not have
formal nights like other lines (Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Princess,
Celebrity, etc.).

.... and if those cruises don't happen to be going where you wanted to
go ???

If putting on a pair of slacks (dockers, etc.) for dinner in a fancy dining
room is too much of a hassle... perhaps you should look elsewhere. A cruise
might not be your cup of tea.

A cruise is exactly my cup of tea .... but it would appear that you
prefer to dictate to those who prefer coffee ... or soft drink .. or
even plain old water. I cruise to get to places, to see new countries
and to enjoy the benefits of having my hotel go with me. Of course
there are those who simply cruise for the social life and to be
pretentious, and for them appearances may be an end it itself. Sad,
really, that those who want to perform insist that their audience wear
costumes as well.

IMO, enforcing the long pants kind of forces people to shower and clean up
for dinner, rather than showing up sweaty, full of sun tan oil, from the
pool area.

Now you're being silly ...... it is a quantum leap from sweaty and
smelly to dinner suite and tie. The words "neat, casual" come to mind.

Bob T.

--
"Bob Thomas" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:14:57 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article , *bicker*
wrote:

...then treat them as suggestions and dress as you consider
appropriate.

I am getting a vibe that you don't get it.

They expect you to dress as requested, as they consider appropriate,
-----not dress as you consider appropriate.

Exactly .... within the bounds of common sense and good taste,
appropriate is a flexible concept - although apparently not for
everyone.

Bob T.

shorts in the dining room does not show good taste nor common sense.
Especially when the appropriate dress for the evening is spelled out for you
by the cruiseline, and you know that before you even leave for your holiday.

Bill

--
"Bob Thomas" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:14:57 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article , *bicker*
wrote:

...then treat them as suggestions and dress as you consider
appropriate.

I am getting a vibe that you don't get it.

They expect you to dress as requested, as they consider appropriate,
-----not dress as you consider appropriate.

Exactly .... within the bounds of common sense and good taste,
appropriate is a flexible concept - although apparently not for
everyone.

Bob T.

shorts in the dining room does not show good taste nor common sense.
Especially when the appropriate dress for the evening is spelled out for you
by the cruiseline, and you know that before you even leave for your holiday.

Bill