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Enough, already!!!!!!!
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Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0000, "tim....." wrote: "simon calder" wrote in message ... No and I explained why - they can't go for their week in the sun/skiing without one. An American can. I don't accept that having a Passport JUST for this activity make you a worldly traveller What the f*ck america holiday destinations has got to do with it either I'm at a complete loss. Because going on holiday (and no other) is the reason that 90% of people have a passport. It is damning because it identifies the insular attitude of americans ... I don't agree that having, or not having, a passport makes a jot of difference here. An awful lot of people go abroad for their ho9lidays because they can experience a different culture. Not many people go to Venice for the skiing... Water skiing! ;-) |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:35:42 -0000, "simon calder"
wrote: An awful lot of people go abroad for their ho9lidays because they can experience a different culture. Not many people go to Venice for the skiing... or to Gstaad for laying on the beach...... so what? People don't always travel for the weather. |
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Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0000, "tim....." wrote: "simon calder" wrote in message ... No and I explained why - they can't go for their week in the sun/skiing without one. An American can. I don't accept that having a Passport JUST for this activity make you a worldly traveller What the f*ck america holiday destinations has got to do with it either I'm at a complete loss. Because going on holiday (and no other) is the reason that 90% of people have a passport. It is damning because it identifies the insular attitude of americans ... I don't agree that having, or not having, a passport makes a jot of difference here. An awful lot of people go abroad for their ho9lidays because they can experience a different culture. Not many people go to Venice for the skiing... Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0000, "tim....." wrote: "simon calder" wrote in message ... No and I explained why - they can't go for their week in the sun/skiing without one. An American can. I don't accept that having a Passport JUST for this activity make you a worldly traveller What the f*ck america holiday destinations has got to do with it either I'm at a complete loss. Because going on holiday (and no other) is the reason that 90% of people have a passport. It is damning because it identifies the insular attitude of americans ... I don't agree that having, or not having, a passport makes a jot of difference here. An awful lot of people go abroad for their ho9lidays because they can experience a different culture. Not many people go to Venice for the skiing... Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? |
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Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because they are Opera fans"? I find that hard to believe. tim |
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tim..... wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because they are Opera fans"? I find that hard to believe. tim Works for me! (But is it really worth arguing about?) |
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"Rudi" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:03:17 +0100, "M@gd@" wrote: ... ... On the other hand, most of Europe is passport free, ... What my statement means is that for Europeans, mostly, there is no need to ... possess a passport to travel around Europe..it is, for the most part for ... Europeans.."pasport free" for travel. This is not correct. All European countries, be them EU members or not are sovereign nation states, which issue their own passports. Schengen agreement is only an agreement to suspend border controls between signatory countries, not an indication of a passport-free zone. A traveller must *always* possess a passport, or a national identity card specifying citizenship, when in an European country other than your home. This must also be available for inspection at any time by the local authorities, should they choose to inspect you. Finally, any Schengen member state can at any time and at own discretion re-establish border controls for any reason they see valid. Theoretically, you could get stranded in another EU-country, should you have left home without above-mentioned travel document, however this kind of scenario is very unlikely. Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any identification within the UK and Ireland. -- JohnT |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT"
wrote: Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any identification within the UK and Ireland. Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong. The carriers insist on passports... |
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Enough, already!!!!!!!
Bill wrote on Nov 15, 2012:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" wrote: Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any identification within the UK and Ireland. Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong. ....or anywhere else in Europe! -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire mike_lane at mac dot com |
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