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"Universal" health care and a dirty little secret about America's "uninsured"



 
 
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Old April 15th, 2007, 11:02 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
P J O'donovan
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Default "Universal" health care and a dirty little secret about America's "uninsured"




Out of the alleged 47 million Americans uninsured, over 17 million
reside in households having over $50K in annual income, over 14
million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not enrolled and
over 18 million of the uninsured are people between the ages of 18 and
34 who as a group spend more than four times as much on alcohol,
tobacco, dining out and entertainment as they do on out-of-pocket
spending for health care.

Finally, millions of illegal immigrants are also included in the
number of Americans without insurance.


Single-Payer health care advocates with their collectivist
mentalities
often point to 45 million uninsured Americans as a "moral disgrace".

However, it's hard to know whether they mean that the more than 17
million people (37% of the uninsured) who make more than $50K a year
are "immoral" for not choosing to buy health insurance - or - our
government is
immoral for not forcing them to.

Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

The problem of managing health in a free country is that people are
free
to assume risk and self insure if they choose to do so and government
cannot make people choose healthy lifestyle choices in a free
society. As a result many choose to gamble. Most will win by not
paying health care insurance premiums while a few will loose by paying
for their own health care expenses out of pocket as they are incurred.
That is the American way whether the Socialists of the world like it
or not,

The poor cannot be coerced to get it together to enroll in Medicare if
they qualify
without a gestapo type enforcement scheme

The challenge is not in providing services. Adequate health services
already exist and millions of us like it the way it is and if
Socialists don't like it they can lump it..

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Old April 15th, 2007, 11:44 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Runge1
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Default donovan's hidden crossposts

He posts on a group, then hops off to another to post the same...thinking
people will not notice the pollution
He thinks not right, he very small head has.

"P J O'donovan" a écrit dans le message de news:
...



Out of the alleged 47 million Americans uninsured, over 17 million
reside in households having over $50K in annual income, over 14
million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not enrolled and
over 18 million of the uninsured are people between the ages of 18 and
34 who as a group spend more than four times as much on alcohol,
tobacco, dining out and entertainment as they do on out-of-pocket
spending for health care.

Finally, millions of illegal immigrants are also included in the
number of Americans without insurance.


Single-Payer health care advocates with their collectivist
mentalities
often point to 45 million uninsured Americans as a "moral disgrace".

However, it's hard to know whether they mean that the more than 17
million people (37% of the uninsured) who make more than $50K a year
are "immoral" for not choosing to buy health insurance - or - our
government is
immoral for not forcing them to.

Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

The problem of managing health in a free country is that people are
free
to assume risk and self insure if they choose to do so and government
cannot make people choose healthy lifestyle choices in a free
society. As a result many choose to gamble. Most will win by not
paying health care insurance premiums while a few will loose by paying
for their own health care expenses out of pocket as they are incurred.
That is the American way whether the Socialists of the world like it
or not,

The poor cannot be coerced to get it together to enroll in Medicare if
they qualify
without a gestapo type enforcement scheme

The challenge is not in providing services. Adequate health services
already exist and millions of us like it the way it is and if
Socialists don't like it they can lump it..




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Old April 15th, 2007, 01:31 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
P J O'donovan
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Default "Universal" health care and a dirty little secret about America's "uninsured"

....over 14 million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not
enrolled ...Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state
paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

PJ




Are the poor always informed of their rights? If you are poorly
educated or
even illiterate, if English was not your first language, you may have
a
problem in this area. If they do not realize they qualify they will
not
enroll.

Donna Evleth

I noticed signs in the hospital emergency room are in both English and
Spanish
indicating patients' right to access health care regardless of ability
to pay.

All state and federal agencies I have called in recent years start
with a menu recording where you press "1" for English or "2" for
Spanish.

Just a few days ago I was in the post office line and one of the
Spanish speaking patrons was having trouble understanding English and
the clerk first aked if anyone in the line could translate and then
went into the back of the post office and returned with a Hispanic
postal employee fluent in Spanish.

Again, a few days ago we were in a local restaurant for lunch and were
met by 50 or so local kindergarten kids out on a field trip in the
restaurant for lunch. I noticed
quite a few kids appeared to be Hispanic and one of the young teachers
appeared Hispanic but spoke English with a typical southern Georgia
accent even to the Hispanic looking kids. She was probably second
geneneration and spoke English with the local accent which is not
unusual in these parts. However when one of the Hispanic kids started
misbehaving she tore into him in Spanish with words coming out like a
machine gun.

I don't think this "language problem" is as much of an excuse for poor
individual responsibility as you would like it to be being the
Socialist you are.

The Asians don't appear to have a problem either. If outcomes of Life
expectancy
and infant mortality as the true barometer of healthcare efficiency
that many here
are advancing, Asians have better outcomes than white Americans as
infant mortality rates indicate below:

http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.or...Disparity.html

US Infant Mortality Rate By Race or Ethnicity, 2000-2002

Race
Deaths per 1,000 Live Births

All Races
6.9

Non-Hispanic White
5.7

Non-Hispanic Black
13.6

American Indian or Alaskan Native
8.9

Asian, Pacific Islanders
4.8

Hispanic*
5.5





On Apr 15, 3:02 am, "P J O'donovan" wrote:
Out of the alleged 47 million Americans uninsured, over 17 million
reside in households having over $50K in annual income, over 14
million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not enrolled and
over 18 million of the uninsured are people between the ages of 18 and
34 who as a group spend more than four times as much on alcohol,
tobacco, dining out and entertainment as they do on out-of-pocket
spending for health care.

Finally, millions of illegal immigrants are also included in the
number of Americans without insurance.

Single-Payer health care advocates with their collectivist
mentalities
often point to 45 million uninsured Americans as a "moral disgrace".

However, it's hard to know whether they mean that the more than 17
million people (37% of the uninsured) who make more than $50K a year
are "immoral" for not choosing to buy health insurance - or - our
government is
immoral for not forcing them to.

Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

The problem of managing health in a free country is that people are
free
to assume risk and self insure if they choose to do so and government
cannot make people choose healthy lifestyle choices in a free
society. As a result many choose to gamble. Most will win by not
paying health care insurance premiums while a few will loose by paying
for their own health care expenses out of pocket as they are incurred.
That is the American way whether the Socialists of the world like it
or not,

The poor cannot be coerced to get it together to enroll in Medicare if
they qualify
without a gestapo type enforcement scheme

The challenge is not in providing services. Adequate health services
already exist and millions of us like it the way it is and if
Socialists don't like it they can lump it..



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Old April 15th, 2007, 04:46 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Runge1
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Posts: 430
Default "Universal" health care and a dirty little secret about America's "uninsured"

Here we go again, posting here all his friendly debates with the evleth
family
Polluters of the world, unite !

"P J O'donovan" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
....over 14 million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not
enrolled ...Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state
paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

PJ




Are the poor always informed of their rights? If you are poorly
educated or
even illiterate, if English was not your first language, you may have
a
problem in this area. If they do not realize they qualify they will
not
enroll.

Donna Evleth

I noticed signs in the hospital emergency room are in both English and
Spanish
indicating patients' right to access health care regardless of ability
to pay.

All state and federal agencies I have called in recent years start
with a menu recording where you press "1" for English or "2" for
Spanish.

Just a few days ago I was in the post office line and one of the
Spanish speaking patrons was having trouble understanding English and
the clerk first aked if anyone in the line could translate and then
went into the back of the post office and returned with a Hispanic
postal employee fluent in Spanish.

Again, a few days ago we were in a local restaurant for lunch and were
met by 50 or so local kindergarten kids out on a field trip in the
restaurant for lunch. I noticed
quite a few kids appeared to be Hispanic and one of the young teachers
appeared Hispanic but spoke English with a typical southern Georgia
accent even to the Hispanic looking kids. She was probably second
geneneration and spoke English with the local accent which is not
unusual in these parts. However when one of the Hispanic kids started
misbehaving she tore into him in Spanish with words coming out like a
machine gun.

I don't think this "language problem" is as much of an excuse for poor
individual responsibility as you would like it to be being the
Socialist you are.

The Asians don't appear to have a problem either. If outcomes of Life
expectancy
and infant mortality as the true barometer of healthcare efficiency
that many here
are advancing, Asians have better outcomes than white Americans as
infant mortality rates indicate below:

http://www.unitedhealthfoundation.or...Disparity.html

US Infant Mortality Rate By Race or Ethnicity, 2000-2002

Race
Deaths per 1,000 Live Births

All Races
6.9

Non-Hispanic White
5.7

Non-Hispanic Black
13.6

American Indian or Alaskan Native
8.9

Asian, Pacific Islanders
4.8

Hispanic*
5.5





On Apr 15, 3:02 am, "P J O'donovan" wrote:
Out of the alleged 47 million Americans uninsured, over 17 million
reside in households having over $50K in annual income, over 14
million are eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP but have not enrolled and
over 18 million of the uninsured are people between the ages of 18 and
34 who as a group spend more than four times as much on alcohol,
tobacco, dining out and entertainment as they do on out-of-pocket
spending for health care.

Finally, millions of illegal immigrants are also included in the
number of Americans without insurance.

Single-Payer health care advocates with their collectivist
mentalities
often point to 45 million uninsured Americans as a "moral disgrace".

However, it's hard to know whether they mean that the more than 17
million people (37% of the uninsured) who make more than $50K a year
are "immoral" for not choosing to buy health insurance - or - our
government is
immoral for not forcing them to.

Are the 14 million of the poor who are eligible for state paid
Medicaid
medical insurance "immoral" for never getting around to enrolling in
it -or-
is government "immoral" for not coercing them to enroll?

The problem of managing health in a free country is that people are
free
to assume risk and self insure if they choose to do so and government
cannot make people choose healthy lifestyle choices in a free
society. As a result many choose to gamble. Most will win by not
paying health care insurance premiums while a few will loose by paying
for their own health care expenses out of pocket as they are incurred.
That is the American way whether the Socialists of the world like it
or not,

The poor cannot be coerced to get it together to enroll in Medicare if
they qualify
without a gestapo type enforcement scheme

The challenge is not in providing services. Adequate health services
already exist and millions of us like it the way it is and if
Socialists don't like it they can lump it..






 




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