France: 'Best' Health Care?

Yes martin is right, US stuff, vogtgamble and himself do not belong here.


"Martin" a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : ...
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:34:05 -0400, S Viemeister
wrote:

On 9/29/2012 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:
All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.

(crossposting snipped)

You snipped the wrong group. US internal politics don't belong here
either.
--

Martin

On Sep 30, 1:14*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 03:42:03 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"

Oh shut up you buffoon, *we all know US free medical care is neither
free nor terribly good.

Like medical care all over the world of course it is not free in the
US


If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, *and it doesn't...

Backing out homicides and death from fatal accidents for all countries
in a comparison then indicates the US has the highest overall life
expectancies in the world.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 30, 1:14*pm, Bill wrote:

If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, *and it doesn't...

Backing out homicides and death from fatal accidents for all countries
in a comparison then indicates the US has the highest overall life
expectancies in the world.

Cite please.

On Sep 30, 4:11*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 30, 1:14*pm, Bill wrote:
If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, *and it doesn't...

Backing out homicides and death from fatal accidents for all countries
in a comparison then indicates the US has the highest overall life
expectancies in the world.

Cite please.

Just google: "The myth of Americans' poor life expectancy"

Dont forget the quote marks beginning and end. Then you will get about
9700 results and you can take your pick.

PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 3:24 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:

Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.
snip



With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.

FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a
privilege for the wealthy.

Rubbish. You are just broadcasting your gullibility by swallowing the
anti American bias that infests Usenet.

Well, I AM an American, so I reserve the right to criticize what I
perceive as the growing inequities in our alleged "democracy".




All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! The US government isn't "paying" for ANYTHING - Medicare
represents payroll tax money we (and our employers) paid into a trust
fund for anticipated medical expenses, post retirement! Every developed
nation except the US covers ALL its citizens under a similar
arrangement. (I find it interesting that most of the criticisms of
"universal" medical care that I see come from people who have no
first-hand experience of it, whereas my internet friends in countries
that provide it seem perfectly happy to have it.)

S Viemeister wrote:
On 9/29/2012 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:
All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.

(crossposting snipped)

Americans pay into Medicare all their working lives, and when they reach
65, they have to pay every month for doctor coverage. Drug insurance is
an additional charge, and the coverage is inadequate for those with
chronic conditions.

Exactly! (But don't confuse PJ with facts.)

Doug Anderson wrote:
S Viemeister writes:

On 9/29/2012 8:30 PM, Bill wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:
All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

Goodness PJ, you really are just a liar.

(crossposting snipped)

Americans pay into Medicare all their working lives, and when they
reach 65, they have to pay every month for doctor coverage. Drug
insurance is an additional charge, and the coverage is inadequate for
those with chronic conditions.

And in spite of that what Medicare pays out for the vast majority of
recipients exceeds what they paid in by orders of magnitute.

Only because the money was NOT set aside as a trust account, as
originally intended. (Our "elected" official found all that cash much
too tempting to be dedicated to the purpose for which it was collected.)

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 30, 4:11*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 30, 1:14*pm, Bill wrote:
If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, *and it doesn't...

Backing out homicides and death from fatal accidents for all countries
in a comparison then indicates the US has the highest overall life
expectancies in the world.

Cite please.

Just google: "The myth of Americans' poor life expectancy"

You made the claim, you get to produce the statistics son.

Now **** or get off the pot...

On Sep 30, 7:24*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:









On Sep 30, 4:11*pm, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'D"
wrote:

On Sep 30, 1:14*pm, Bill wrote:
If it was the USA would have higher life expectancy figures than
Europe, *and it doesn't...

Backing out homicides and death from fatal accidents for all countries
in a comparison then indicates the US has the highest overall life
expectancies in the world.

Cite please.

Just google: "The myth of Americans' poor life expectancy"

You made the claim, *you get to produce the statistics son.

Now **** or get off the pot...

Just another computer illiterate on usenet who can't get it together
to do a simple google search. I figured as much.

It's right he

http://tinyurl.com/99mkmf4

On Sep 30, 5:51*pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 3:24 pm, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
PJ O'D wrote:
On Sep 29, 2:56 am, Earl Evleth wrote:

Lung translants are a common treatment in the US for Evleth's
unfortunate disease of pulmonary fibrosis.
* * * *snip

With Evleth political ideology even supercedes the instinct for
survival.

FYI, the USA is the ONLY "developed" country in the world that does not
regard universal health care as a right for all citizens, not a
privilege for the wealthy.

Rubbish. You are just broadcasting your gullibility by swallowing the
anti American bias that infests Usenet.

Well, I AM an American, so I reserve the right to criticize what I
perceive as the growing inequities in our alleged "democracy".



All Americans over age 65 and disabled Americans *qualify for
Medicare
where the US government pays health providers direct for health care
of
the elderly and disabled.

EXCUSE ME!!!!! *The US government isn't "paying" for ANYTHING - Medicare
* represents payroll tax money we (and our employers) paid into a trust
fund for anticipated medical expenses, post retirement! *Every developed
nation except the US covers ALL its citizens under a similar
arrangement. *(I find it interesting that most of the criticisms of
"universal" medical care that I see come from people who have no
first-hand experience of it, whereas my internet friends in countries
that provide it seem perfectly happy to have it.)

You are living in a lala land of your own imagined Socialist utopia,
lady.

Here is what wikipedia tells you about the reality of the finances of
medica

"wikipedia Medicare (US)...

....Unfunded obligation

Medicare’s unfunded obligation is the total amount of money that would
have to be set aside today such that the principal and interest would
cover the gap between projected Part A revenues and spending over a
given timeframe. As of 2009, Medicare’s unfunded obligation over an
infinite timeframe was $36 trillion....".