Munich airport and DB

Hamburg and Tegel are only connected by bus. Schönefeld has a
regional station, but it's a far cry from having a station in the airport.

According to Hamburg airport's website, a direct rail link will exist
as of the end of this year. Do you know if it will be an S-Bahn or
a dedicated rail link like Leipzig and Stockholm?

If you believe Berlin airports' website, BBI/Schönefeld will be open
with its railway station at the end of 2011.

Stuttgart is on the S-bahn. Nürnberg is on the U-bahn. Hahn is
a Ryanair airport (i.e. bus only). That just leaves Frankfurt,
Düsseldorf and Köln among the top 10 German airports with a
proper railway station.

I have traveled through FRA so many times, I assumed there were
more airports in Germany with a railway station below.

Leipzig has a dedicated FlughafenExpress and also a Fernbahnhof
for long distance trains, but I have no idea if it is even in the top 20
busiest German airports.


Pete

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Pete schrieb:
Here i found a map that shows how far the airport is away from the
important lines. Rerouting the trains would just upset most of the
passengers because of longer travel times.

http://www.munich-airport.de/de/cons...bahn/index.jsp

Yes, that map makes it clear why no ICE or even RE trains
stop there. But that begs the question; why are so many
German train stations on ICE/RE routes?

Where else should they be? ;-) You hardly can find a line without an
IC(E) or RE running. Just the minor lines in the countryside are run by
regional trains, which call at every milk can as we say in german. REs
call in general in about 30-50 km distance.

Is it because those
airports were intentionally built over ICE/RE tracks?

No. In densly populated Germany citizens have a lot of possibilities to
fight against a govermental investment decision - much better than let's
say in France. So they build an airport at a place that will hold in
front of a court. After 10-15 years! ;-) or :-( however you like to see it!

I think
this is a chicken versus the egg question, which came first, the
airport or the ICE? In the case of Munich's airport, did the
terrain demand that the airport be situated where it is?


In general train infrastructure is much older than airports. The old
Munich airport was well in the city, so no need for a train station. The
new airport was build far out of the city because of the problems
described above. BTW, right now they have the same problems with the new
third runway.
The airports in Frankfurt and Köln/Bonn do have a train station because
a new High Speed Line was built and the airports were more or less
simply in the way. Don't know about the situation in Düsseldorf.
Other airports are in general connected by S- or U-Bahn. That's more or
less a train! ;-)

Josef

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tim..... schrieb:
"Josef Kleber" wrote in message
The 10 minute maglev train is gone
because of unforeseeable cost explosion!

Not by those who weren't wearing rose tinted spectacles.


Well you did delete my Smiley! ;-)

Josef

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Yesss morrow your contris are the traveller's bible.
Thank your god you exist.

"Gregory Morrow" a écrit dans le message de
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scRunge12 blabbles:

The answer to your question won't help travellers anyway...



And your contri is hardly "helpful" in any case, scRunge..."par for the
course" as we say in English.


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Greg

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that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
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"Pete" a écrit dans le message de
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It seems that Munich's airport is only connected to Munich's S-Bahn
system, unlike many other German airports where there is an actual
railway station beneath the airport. This is a little strange because
Munich is a secondary Lufthansa hub for international flights. Are
there any plans to add a long distance train station (like Frankfurt
Flughafen Fernbf) to Munich's airport?


Pete

He's not allowed to, he's on medicaid.
Poor America.

"Markku Grönroos" a écrit dans le message de
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perhaps you homosexual stop tampering your taglines. Consult an able
shrink.





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scRunge12 blabbles:

The answer to your question won't help travellers anyway...



And your contri is hardly "helpful" in any case, scRunge..."par for the
course" as we say in English.


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim
that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking



"Pete" a écrit dans le message de
. ..
It seems that Munich's airport is only connected to Munich's S-Bahn
system, unlike many other German airports where there is an actual
railway station beneath the airport. This is a little strange because
Munich is a secondary Lufthansa hub for international flights. Are
there any plans to add a long distance train station (like Frankfurt
Flughafen Fernbf) to Munich's airport?


Pete

Josef Kleber wrote:
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Pete schrieb:
Here i found a map that shows how far the airport is away from the
important lines. Rerouting the trains would just upset most of the
passengers because of longer travel times.

http://www.munich-airport.de/de/cons...bahn/index.jsp
Yes, that map makes it clear why no ICE or even RE trains
stop there. But that begs the question; why are so many
German train stations on ICE/RE routes?

Where else should they be? ;-) You hardly can find a line without an
IC(E) or RE running. Just the minor lines in the countryside are run by
regional trains, which call at every milk can as we say in german. REs
call in general in about 30-50 km distance.

Is it because those
airports were intentionally built over ICE/RE tracks?

No. In densly populated Germany citizens have a lot of possibilities to
fight against a govermental investment decision - much better than let's
say in France. So they build an airport at a place that will hold in
front of a court. After 10-15 years! ;-) or :-( however you like to see it!

I think
this is a chicken versus the egg question, which came first, the
airport or the ICE? In the case of Munich's airport, did the
terrain demand that the airport be situated where it is?


In general train infrastructure is much older than airports. The old
Munich airport was well in the city, so no need for a train station. The
new airport was build far out of the city because of the problems
described above. BTW, right now they have the same problems with the new
third runway.
The airports in Frankfurt and Köln/Bonn do have a train station because
a new High Speed Line was built and the airports were more or less
simply in the way. Don't know about the situation in Düsseldorf.

The rail track always ran past the airport. The Intercity station and
the overhead rail track to the terminals were built fairly recently.
T.

Other airports are in general connected by S- or U-Bahn. That's more or
less a train! ;-)

Josef

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0500, erilar wrote:

In article ,
Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:13:09 -0600, Pete wrote:

It seems that Munich's airport is only connected to Munich's S-Bahn
system, unlike many other German airports where there is an actual
railway station beneath the airport.

That just leaves Frankfurt, Düsseldorf and Köln among the top 10 German
airports with a proper railway station.

Well, S-Bahn and U-Bahn will normally get you to a Fernbahnhof without
great difficulty. . .

That doesn't count as the OP specifically named Munich, which has 2
S-bahns running a 10 minute service, as an airport with no rail.

In article ,
Josef Kleber wrote:

The airports in Frankfurt and Köln/Bonn do have a train station because
a new High Speed Line was built and the airports were more or less
simply in the way. Don't know about the situation in Düsseldorf.
Lots of trains in and around the Ruhrgebiet but not lots of
room for a big airport. That may be why.
Other airports are in general connected by S- or U-Bahn. That's more or
less a train! ;-)
Some much fancier than some local trains I've traveled on 8-)

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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

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In article ,
Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0500, erilar wrote:

In article ,
Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:13:09 -0600, Pete wrote:

It seems that Munich's airport is only connected to Munich's S-Bahn
system, unlike many other German airports where there is an actual
railway station beneath the airport.

That just leaves Frankfurt, Düsseldorf and Köln among the top 10 German
airports with a proper railway station.

Well, S-Bahn and U-Bahn will normally get you to a Fernbahnhof without
great difficulty. . .

That doesn't count as the OP specifically named Munich, which has 2
S-bahns running a 10 minute service, as an airport with no rail.

8-) What does he think the S-Bahn runs on? 8-)

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarloÂ*

Well, S-Bahn and U-Bahn will normally get you to a
Fernbahnhof without great difficulty. . .

That doesn't count as the OP specifically named Munich,
which has 2 S-bahns running a 10 minute service, as an
airport with no rail.

8-) What does he think the S-Bahn runs on? 8-)

You both completely missed the point. Yes, of course S-Bahns
use railway tracks. But S-Bahns are tied to a single city (some-
times to multiple cities, like with Bonn/Köln, but that does not
change the issue), forcing travelers to first ride to the host city,
change trains, and then continue to the intended destination.
An airport with a complete railway station allows travelers to
depart from the airport and ride to the destination, often with
no changes. Also, S-Bahns are often located in different areas
of a Hauptbahnhof, forcing connecting passengers to determine
exactly from where the next train will depart (in Munich this is
NOT trivial).


Pete