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Transgender students force lavatory change

A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its student union
lavatories were stripped of their genders so as not to offend transgendered
people

By Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 1:32PM BST 30 Sep 2008


"The ladies' lavatory is now simply labelled "toilet" while the mens' has
become "toilets with urinals".

The student union decided to change the signs during a meeting of its
executive in the summer following a number of complaints from transgender
students.

Women's officer Jennie Killip refused to say how many people had complained,
and there are no figures for how many transgender people there are among the
university's 35,000 population.

She said: "If you were born female, still presently quite feminine, but
defined as a man you should be able to go into the men's toilets.

"You don't necessarily have to have had gender reassignment surgery, but you
could just define yourself as a man, feel very masculine in yourself, feel
that in fact being a woman is not who you are.

"Transgender people can face violence and abuse when they go into toilets
and we wanted to provide a place where they can feel comfortable.

"I have had complaints from people who said we didn't have any facilities
for them."

But the switch has caused consternation among many of the students returning
from their summer break.

Second-year student Jane McConnell, 19, a news editor on the Student Direct
student newspaper, said: "While these signs might be appropriate for people
with different sexualities, I also think that many people from different
religious and ethnic groups are going to feel uncomfortable using these
facilities.

"Even though they're just two signs, at the end of the day, toilets should
be for women and for men specifically, not for both."

Another student said: "This is ridiculous. It is just too much political
correctness."

/

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:44:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...orce-lavatory-
change.html


Transgender students force lavatory change

A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its student union
lavatories were stripped of their genders so as not to offend transgendered
people

Appears to be about the same as many toilets in France. The one
under the plaza in front of Notre Dame can be a bit of a surprise
for, say, Americans.

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On Oct 1, 9:05*am, (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:44:06 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...dents-force-la....
change.html

Transgender students force lavatory change

A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its student union
lavatories were stripped of their genders so as not to offend transgendered
people

Appears to be about the same as many toilets in France. The one
under the plaza in front of Notre Dame can be a bit of a surprise
for, say, Americans.

Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

B;



It's very easy not to know that. Many people don't have the schooling
in biology.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:05:45 +0200, (Mister
Bartlett) wrote:


Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

A number of decades ago when those signs were first coming into
use, Playboy had a cartoon showing a woman in trousers and a
Greek soldier, each headed for the wrong loo.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

They could have made it easier, withone facility for Men, one for Women and
one for Unsure.

"Gregory Morrow" wrote in message
m...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...orce-lavatory-
change.html


Transgender students force lavatory change

A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its student
union
lavatories were stripped of their genders so as not to offend
transgendered
people

By Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 1:32PM BST 30 Sep 2008


"The ladies' lavatory is now simply labelled "toilet" while the mens' has
become "toilets with urinals".

The student union decided to change the signs during a meeting of its
executive in the summer following a number of complaints from transgender
students.

Women's officer Jennie Killip refused to say how many people had
complained,
and there are no figures for how many transgender people there are among
the
university's 35,000 population.

She said: "If you were born female, still presently quite feminine, but
defined as a man you should be able to go into the men's toilets.

"You don't necessarily have to have had gender reassignment surgery, but
you
could just define yourself as a man, feel very masculine in yourself, feel
that in fact being a woman is not who you are.

"Transgender people can face violence and abuse when they go into toilets
and we wanted to provide a place where they can feel comfortable.

"I have had complaints from people who said we didn't have any facilities
for them."

But the switch has caused consternation among many of the students
returning
from their summer break.

Second-year student Jane McConnell, 19, a news editor on the Student
Direct
student newspaper, said: "While these signs might be appropriate for
people
with different sexualities, I also think that many people from different
religious and ethnic groups are going to feel uncomfortable using these
facilities.

"Even though they're just two signs, at the end of the day, toilets should
be for women and for men specifically, not for both."

Another student said: "This is ridiculous. It is just too much political
correctness."

/

"Gregory Morrow" a écrit dans le message de
m...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...orce-lavatory-
change.html


Transgender students force lavatory change

A row has broken out at the University of Manchester after its student
union
lavatories were stripped of their genders so as not to offend
transgendered
people

By Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 1:32PM BST 30 Sep 2008


"The ladies' lavatory is now simply labelled "toilet" while the mens' has
become "toilets with urinals".

The student union decided to change the signs during a meeting of its
executive in the summer following a number of complaints from transgender
students.

Women's officer Jennie Killip refused to say how many people had
complained,
and there are no figures for how many transgender people there are among
the
university's 35,000 population.

She said: "If you were born female, still presently quite feminine, but
defined as a man you should be able to go into the men's toilets.

"You don't necessarily have to have had gender reassignment surgery, but
you
could just define yourself as a man, feel very masculine in yourself, feel
that in fact being a woman is not who you are.

"Transgender people can face violence and abuse when they go into toilets
and we wanted to provide a place where they can feel comfortable.

"I have had complaints from people who said we didn't have any facilities
for them."

But the switch has caused consternation among many of the students
returning
from their summer break.

Second-year student Jane McConnell, 19, a news editor on the Student
Direct
student newspaper, said: "While these signs might be appropriate for
people
with different sexualities, I also think that many people from different
religious and ethnic groups are going to feel uncomfortable using these
facilities.

"Even though they're just two signs, at the end of the day, toilets should
be for women and for men specifically, not for both."

Another student said: "This is ridiculous. It is just too much political
correctness."

/

Hatunen a écrit :
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:05:45 +0200, (Mister
Bartlett) wrote:


Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

A number of decades ago when those signs were first coming into
use, Playboy had a cartoon showing a woman in trousers and a
Greek soldier, each headed for the wrong loo.

Greek soldiers ? There must many more Scots in kilts ... Do they have
a problem too ?

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

kodok wrote:

Hatunen a écrit :
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:05:45 +0200, (Mister
Bartlett) wrote:


Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

A number of decades ago when those signs were first coming into
use, Playboy had a cartoon showing a woman in trousers and a
Greek soldier, each headed for the wrong loo.

Greek soldiers ? There must many more Scots in kilts ... Do they have
a problem too ?
----------------------

GM replies:

The Greek was running to the loo so that "Runge12" could "service" him...

;-P


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:04:55 -0700 (PDT), kodok
wrote:



Hatunen a écrit :
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:05:45 +0200, (Mister
Bartlett) wrote:


Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

A number of decades ago when those signs were first coming into
use, Playboy had a cartoon showing a woman in trousers and a
Greek soldier, each headed for the wrong loo.

Greek soldiers ? There must many more Scots in kilts ... Do they have
a problem too ?

I suppose the cartoonist had to pick one or the other. And,
frankly, the Greek uniforms look mmore feminine.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

....or anywhere else, he tends to shift his glance...well you know...

"Gregory Morrow" a écrit dans le message de
...



kodok wrote:

Hatunen a écrit :
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:05:45 +0200, (Mister
Bartlett) wrote:


Recently I've encountered a few people standing puzzled outside toilets
marked with those "biological" signs, don't know the correct name - a
circle with an arrow for a man, and a cross for a woman - not knowing
what they stood for. How can you NOT know that?

A number of decades ago when those signs were first coming into
use, Playboy had a cartoon showing a woman in trousers and a
Greek soldier, each headed for the wrong loo.

Greek soldiers ? There must many more Scots in kilts ... Do they have
a problem too ?
----------------------

GM replies:

The Greek was running to the loo so that "Runge12" could "service" him...

;-P


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim
that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking