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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:00:40 GMT, Lloyd Parsons
wrote: GCC Committee scared ****less I would bid and win. And if I would have, I would have. LOL, you assume someone on the committee actually gives a crap about you one way or another! Oh, you gave a crap alright and made damn sure you rigged the rules accordingly. Oh, it was a coincidence. My bad. |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 12:13:20 -0400, Eileen Garland
wrote: Excellent point, Lloyd. Eileen Lloyd, I am uncertain that getting support from a self proclaimed Nutcase is what the GCC needs about now. |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:22:58 GMT, Lloyd Parsons
wrote: Well, Lloyd, you and I may not agree but I don't think you are trying to be dishonest. Thanks for that. It is appreciated. I know that the committee and I were trying to make the best of what was looking pretty grim. A few days before we announced the rfb's were ready, I wouldn't have bet on more than one TA bidding. After we responded to the few requests we did get, I was almost sure that it would be a max of 2. I literally was tickled pink when 2 that I had not expected popped up and provided bids. And you are right, we don't always agree, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Lloyd It is a good thing MOF otherwise we would have nothing more here than a sorority sleep in. |
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Charles is right on the money when he says:
If you don't want discussion on the GGC's then don't announce or post about them to the newsgroup. snip Speaking for myself I discuss it even though I have not been on one because potentialy I would go on one. That is enough reason for me but even if someone never intends to go, they have the right to post about it snip It's always amusing when regular posters chime in about a GGC and get shot down because either they haven't been on one, haven't contributed to the discussion until that particular point, or are perceived as not being interested in booking now or in the future (I'll take one of those crystal balls, please). I think this attitude feeds into the belief that the GGC's have become cliqueish and not very welcoming of new people. One review after last year's GGC specifically addressed this by saying that they didn't feel particularly welcome or part of the group. What is really the issue is that some valid points are being raised that people don't want to hear. Sorry, but the GGC isn't sacrosanct and there is nothing wrong with newsgroup oversight of the "committee." Either the GGC is an RTC group cruise or not. If it is, then *any* newsgroup poster is entitled to their say. If it isn't then discussion should be limited to the yahoo group and the GGC should be redefined as the yahoo group cruise. Shushing posters simply because you don't like the issue they raise sends a clear message that "RTC GGC" has become an oxymoron. Saying that if you aren't involved in the discussion from the beginning then you aren't entitled to jumping in when you have something valid to contribute is, IMHO, equivalent to saying if you don't book early then don't bother booking closer to departure because you obviously weren't interested and now *neither are we*. That doesn't sound very welcoming to me. I'll finish this post by saying what I've consistently said in the past: why on earth is everything so set in stone? Is this a newsgroup cruise, or a committe cruise? When there is sufficient disagreement within the newsgroup on key issues, why do the committees circle the wagons and dig in? What is SO wrong with stepping back, sifting through the retoric and seeing the valid points buried within and reconsidering? Why NOT reopen bidding since it does appear that those that bid were at an advantage? There are already 2 major group cruises early in 2005 on which many of the core GGC cruisers are already booked. Would it be SO awful if the next GGC were delayed in order to address the concerns that have been raised? The newsgroup won't suddenly disappear off of usenet. I actually think the next GGC would be strengthened if it was delayed a bit more, maybe even put off until 2006. It would add "Great" back into the concept by building in a sense of anticipation that has been lacking since the early ones. If memory serves it was 18 months or more between the original concept took root in the newsgroup and the first GGC. By the time we all boarded the excitement built to a crescendo! There's nothing to get excited about other than "it's the GGC." So what? Warren remove the drink to email Y |
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"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... In article , Cruising Chrissy wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:17:59 GMT, Lloyd Parsons wrote: I guess the fact that a simple error was made in not posting rfb change isn't an option to consider. Well, Lloyd, you and I may not agree but I don't think you are trying to be dishonest. Thanks for that. It is appreciated. I know that the committee and I were trying to make the best of what was looking pretty grim. I know 20-20 hindsight is always better... and I'm not trying to be a "noodge" (in fact I don't even know how to spell noodge)... but one thing I learned over the years is it's never a bad idea to ask for help if you need it. If things were looking grim because you didn't get enough bids as you were getting close to the deadline, I personally would have thought nothing wrong about a note to the group saying... we're not getting a lot of bids... and we need HELP. And I know that the other group cruises at the normal GGC time were a lot to compete with. I always remember our football friend "Ronnie the Mailman". If you said to him, "wanna play this afternoon?" he'd say "Nah... got a lot of work'" But if you said to him "Ronnie, we need your help, organize us a game this afternoon!"... he'd say "YEAH... yeah... let's do it... I"ll call... ...." --Tom A few days before we announced the rfb's were ready, I wouldn't have bet on more than one TA bidding. After we responded to the few requests we did get, I was almost sure that it would be a max of 2. I literally was tickled pink when 2 that I had not expected popped up and provided bids. And you are right, we don't always agree, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Lloyd |
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I have only been on one GGC and had an absolutely great time. The only vote
that really counts is the one you make with your credit card. I too like DocJohn have moslty lurked the past several years but I am always looking for that next good cruise. This thread is amazing. All this whining... if you don't like how it s run then don't go this year and volunteer for next year's committee. signing off till my next cruise.... John H |
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