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Old August 12th, 2004, 12:55 PM
Guido
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LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel
agencies!!


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Old August 12th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Jeff Coudriet
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I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:
LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel
agencies!!



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Old August 12th, 2004, 01:22 PM
Jeff Coudriet
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I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:
LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel
agencies!!



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Old August 12th, 2004, 02:28 PM
HDawson228
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Jeff. I agree. Actually Carnival institutes the same policy in Jan.
Carnival had stated earlier that this is part of their policy that will protect
those traditional travel agencys that have contributed so very much to the
sucess of Carnival and the entire cruise industry, from the johnny=come-=lately
boiler room "agencys" that have continuously bent the rules of good business.
TAs that give no service or bad service reflects on the cruiseline and
industry.
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Old August 12th, 2004, 02:28 PM
HDawson228
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Jeff. I agree. Actually Carnival institutes the same policy in Jan.
Carnival had stated earlier that this is part of their policy that will protect
those traditional travel agencys that have contributed so very much to the
sucess of Carnival and the entire cruise industry, from the johnny=come-=lately
boiler room "agencys" that have continuously bent the rules of good business.
TAs that give no service or bad service reflects on the cruiseline and
industry.
  #6  
Old August 12th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Peter Berlin
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Jeff,
This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific
about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all
Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating,
and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain
types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or
rebates (unless issued by the cruise line).

RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know
about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine
will still be permitted and the norm.

Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column.

There will be some businesses changing their business model.

Peter



Jeff Coudriet wrote:

I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:

LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity,
but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow
ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise
price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big
penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on
sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few
travel
agencies!!




--
Peter Berlin
Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com
The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/
The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got
The Spirit"
Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec.
5, 2004

  #7  
Old August 12th, 2004, 02:47 PM
Peter Berlin
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Jeff,
This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific
about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all
Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating,
and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain
types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or
rebates (unless issued by the cruise line).

RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know
about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine
will still be permitted and the norm.

Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column.

There will be some businesses changing their business model.

Peter



Jeff Coudriet wrote:

I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:

LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity,
but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow
ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise
price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big
penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on
sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few
travel
agencies!!




--
Peter Berlin
Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com
The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/
The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got
The Spirit"
Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec.
5, 2004

  #8  
Old August 12th, 2004, 04:20 PM
Jim
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Default Are Cruise deals over?

Jeff, you are correct and Guido is wrong. 'Nuff said.
Jim


"Jeff Coudriet" wrote in message
...
I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:
LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity,

but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow

ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price

that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big

penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on

sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you

typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their

commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few

travel
agencies!!





  #9  
Old August 12th, 2004, 04:20 PM
Jim
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Jeff, you are correct and Guido is wrong. 'Nuff said.
Jim


"Jeff Coudriet" wrote in message
...
I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:
LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity,

but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow

ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price

that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big

penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on

sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you

typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their

commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few

travel
agencies!!





  #10  
Old August 12th, 2004, 04:22 PM
Jim
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What! Peter, that is horrible! I can't see them being able to enforce
something like this very well. I and most everyone else have been lead to
believe that it is the same policy that CCL has in that it only amounts to
the 'advertised' rates and not what one actually pays.
Jim


"Peter Berlin" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Jeff,
This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific
about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all
Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating,
and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain
types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or
rebates (unless issued by the cruise line).

RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know
about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine
will still be permitted and the norm.

Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column.

There will be some businesses changing their business model.

Peter



Jeff Coudriet wrote:

I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was
agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they
authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission,
etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is
a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least.

Jeff



Guido wrote:

LAST BLAST...

It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity,
but
they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow
ANY
of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise
price that
is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big
penalties
to travel agent offenders if they are caught.

What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on
sailing on
Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you

typically
book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house,
booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their

commission
and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight

on
8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few
travel
agencies!!




--
Peter Berlin
Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com
The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/
The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got
The Spirit"
Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec.
5, 2004



 




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