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Frank F. Matthews wrote: Their problem may be signage. There is no clear ticket window for the RER. At CDG 2, RER ticket windows are on the left side of the main lobby (before you go down to the trains). They are in the same area as the SNCF/Thalys windows, and I agree that signage could be better. CDG 1 is better in this respect (no SNCF windows there). That was my point in an earlier post. RER will work for airport employees and business travelers with little or no luggage but folks visiting for a couple of weeks may well want a mini bus service. No argument from me. I am not a big fan of trying to squeeze luggage into packed subway trains or dragging it up and down platforms and passages. |
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Ah! They really do need new signage. If it were not for the large
number of folks who were confused at the same time I might accept an accusation of stupidity (not that you implied it). But when you wall off an area for a separate (Thalys) service who would expect that the ticket window and some platform access for a different (RER) service was located there? FFM Vitaly Shmatikov wrote: In article , Frank F. Matthews wrote: Their problem may be signage. There is no clear ticket window for the RER. At CDG 2, RER ticket windows are on the left side of the main lobby (before you go down to the trains). They are in the same area as the SNCF/Thalys windows, and I agree that signage could be better. CDG 1 is better in this respect (no SNCF windows there). That was my point in an earlier post. RER will work for airport employees and business travelers with little or no luggage but folks visiting for a couple of weeks may well want a mini bus service. No argument from me. I am not a big fan of trying to squeeze luggage into packed subway trains or dragging it up and down platforms and passages. |
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Frank F. Matthews wrote: I've tried a few of these but they simply dump you at a location in the city from which you wander to your final location. I think that's the main problem with all of this mass transit nonsense. It only gets you to an arbitrary point in downtown, which is often *not* where you need to go, and then you have to transfer to yet another train or bus with all the luggage, etc. Take Heathrow. Yeah, it's served by tube and rail, but London is a huge city, and unless your destination is along the Piccadilly line or near Paddington, you have to transfer again and again - certainly not a pleasant prospect if you have luggage or trying to get somewhere in a hurry. Amsterdam has the same problem. By and large the best choice is usually a mini van service. Minivans, cabs, limos and cars in general take you to where *you* need to go, not to an arbitrary place where somebody decided to build a train station or a subway stop. |
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"Vitaly Shmatikov" schreef in bericht ... I think that's the main problem with all of this mass transit nonsense. Be glad that such mass transit "nonsense" exists, or selfish idiots like you would spend even more time in world-wide traffic jams. Public transport is almost always cheaper, often faster, and more fun than private motorized transport. (yes, fun, because you have the chance to meet interesting people on trains and buses that otherwise you never would have met) Sjoerd |
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Sjoerd wrote: Be glad that such mass transit "nonsense" exists, or selfish idiots like you would spend even more time in world-wide traffic jams. Believe me, where I live, mass transit has less than negligible impact on traffic jams, because the overwhelming majority of people commute by car. Their time is too valuable to waste on two-hour bus rides, and they want to live in low-density suburban developments, not in squalid apartment blocks. Public transport is almost always cheaper, often faster, and more fun than private motorized transport. If I want cheap, fast fun, I go to an amusement park. When I travel, I want to get from place A to place B. Not to the central train station 5 miles away. Not to a subway stop on a different line. Not to a bus transfer center. I want to get to my destination, and in most cases private motorized transport is the most *convenient* way to get there. It's not the cheapest, but, fortunately, most of us in the civilized world can afford these little luxuries. In Madagascar, folks think nothing of walking 20 kilometers to the market. I drive. That's civilization for ya. (yes, fun, because you have the chance to meet interesting people on trains and buses that otherwise you never would have met) Maybe *your* social life is so poor that you only meet interesting people on trains and buses (I would not be surprised, given your penchant for calling other people ``selfish idiots''). Normal people don't need mass transit to make new friends. |
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"Vitaly Shmatikov" schreef in bericht ... In article , Sjoerd wrote: Be glad that such mass transit "nonsense" exists, or selfish idiots like you would spend even more time in world-wide traffic jams. Believe me, where I live, mass transit has less than negligible impact on traffic jams, Where I live, most people commute to work on a bicyle or by public transport. Some even walk to work. because the overwhelming majority of people commute by car. Their time is too valuable to waste on two-hour bus rides, Perhaps your city should invest in *decent* public transport? and they want to live in low-density suburban developments, not in squalid apartment blocks. Those horrible neighbourhoods ("suburban developments") where you need to drive to buy your groceries? No thanks, I would never accept such a low standard of living. Public transport is almost always cheaper, often faster, and more fun than private motorized transport. If I want cheap, fast fun, I go to an amusement park. When I travel, I want to get from place A to place B. Me too. Between my house and place of work, I need 15 minutes by bicycle (most days), 20 minutes by bus (sometimes), and 20 minutes by car (rarely) Not to the central train station 5 miles away. Not to a subway stop on a different line. Not to a bus transfer center. I want to get to my destination, and in most cases private motorized transport is the most *convenient* way to get there. It's not the cheapest, but, fortunately, most of us in the civilized world can afford these little luxuries. I own a car, but only use it when I want to visit family / friends that live in a small village / rural area. Within the city, a hardly use my car. In Madagascar, folks think nothing of walking 20 kilometers to the market. I drive. That's civilization for ya. I use my bicycle for those kinds of distances. That's civilization for me. (yes, fun, because you have the chance to meet interesting people on trains and buses that otherwise you never would have met) Maybe *your* social life is so poor that you only meet interesting people on trains and buses Not "only", but also. And those are people that I am unlikely to meet at other social events. (I would not be surprised, given your penchant for calling other people ``selfish idiots''). Normal people don't need mass transit to make new friends. You showed in your post that you deserve the title selfish idiot. Sjoerd |
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Sjoerd wrote: Where I live, most people commute to work on a bicyle or by public transport. Some even walk to work. You live in an underdeveloped, overpopulated country which does not have the proper infrastructure for modern means of transportation, i.e., cars. No wonder people are forced to use 19th-century (bicycle) or even medieval (walking) means to get around. Any horses and buggies in your neck of the woods? Perhaps your city should invest in *decent* public transport? Typical arrogant European's comment. I don't live in a city, Sjoerd. Where I live, public transport is a mathematical impossibility. Distances are too large, density of population is too low, and it's spread over too wide an area. You see, Sjoerd, America is a free country, and people are free to choose any lifestyle they want. Most of them don't wish to live in overcrowded rabbit warrens like a bunch of Europeans. There are exceptions to everything, but most people in America prefer low-density developments, houses with lawns, cul-de-sacs, big SUVs, and mega-stores. This suburban/exurban lifestyle is fundamentally incompatible with mass transit, and no dim-witted social engineer who thinks trains are ``fun'' will be able to do anything about this. |
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"Vitaly Shmatikov" schreef in bericht ... In article , Sjoerd wrote: Where I live, most people commute to work on a bicyle or by public transport. Some even walk to work. You live in an underdeveloped, You are funnier with every sentence you write. Have a look at the Human Development Index which compares countries and see at what place the Netherlands is. overpopulated country Yeah, isn't it great that so many people like to live here because of our superior standard of living? which does not have the proper infrastructure for modern means of transportation, i.e., cars. We have a relatively good network of highways. I normally average 120 km/hr easily when travelling at non-rush hours. No wonder people are forced to use 19th-century (bicycle) Which is a great way of transport still. Gives me (and many other people here) 30 minutes of physical exercise every day so obesity is not as big a problem here compared to some other countries that prefer SUVs. or even medieval (walking) means to get around. Any horses and buggies in your neck of the woods? Yes, we have horses and buggies too. Perhaps your city should invest in *decent* public transport? Typical arrogant European's comment. Typical arrogant American's answer. I don't live in a city, Sjoerd. Where I live, public transport is a mathematical impossibility. Distances are too large, density of population is too low, and it's spread over too wide an area. You see, Sjoerd, America is a free country, Not anymore since Bush. and people are free to choose any lifestyle they want. Though they can't marry the partner of their choice, can not travel to Cuba, can not smoke marihuana and can not have medical assistance at the end of their life when they wish to die. Try again Vitaly. Most of them don't wish to live in overcrowded rabbit warrens like a bunch of Europeans. My American friends in New York wouldn't agree with you. And as you know, many millions of Americans live in big cities with population densities comparable to European cities. There are exceptions to everything, but most people in America prefer low-density developments, houses with lawns, cul-de-sacs, big SUVs, and mega-stores. That's why you need so much oil and are now guilty of neo-colonialism in places that have oil. This suburban/exurban lifestyle is fundamentally incompatible with mass transit, and no dim-witted social engineer who thinks trains are ``fun'' will be able to do anything about this. As long as many Americans are as selfish, ignorant and out of touch with the rest of the world as you, I am afraid the US will indeed lack decent public transport for a long time to come. And yes, trains can be "fun". Sjoerd |
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