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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
wrote: On Apr 11, 11:49*am, Bill wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... You don't think they have bombed villages; In Turkey? I don't know but I doubt it. *by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! Cite please. http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.' In fact they seem to have made a single large attack. By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.' Absolute and utter ********. This nonsense is just made up rubbish. Anthrax 'A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee disclosed that dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq in the mid-1980s under license from the U.S. Commerce Department, including strains of anthrax. Anthrax has been identified by the Pentagon as a key component of Saddams biological weapons program.' He never had one. Your sources are bull****. |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an Iraqi"
On Apr 12, 4:07*am, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 11, 11:49*am, Bill wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:40:42 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 11, 6:06*am, Bill wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Apr 10, 6:14*am, ???????? wrote: Saddam was a menace to the Kurds, to the other Iraqi communities, and an inherent danger to the region. He was, from our perspective in this part of the world, a grave and mortal danger that we could never be safe from while he was still around.... The Kurds in Turkey are menanced by the Turks! * Yet we have not invaded! The Turks have not dropped poison gas on them either... You don't think they have bombed villages; In Turkey? I don't know but I doubt it. *by the way we gave those poison gases to Saddam! Cite please. http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.' In fact they seem to have made a single large attack. *By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.' Absolute and utter ********. This nonsense is just made up rubbish. Anthrax 'A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee disclosed that dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq in the mid-1980s under license from the U.S. Commerce Department, including strains of anthrax. Anthrax has been identified by the Pentagon as a key component of Saddams biological weapons program.' He never had one. Your sources are bull****.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just can't view the US as being impure! |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask anI...
charnoir wrote;
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137 html [Snip] http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17 how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemica -weapons/ [Snip] So your *fact cites* are from 2 private citizens both with a bias, agendas, etc and on the fringe of society? www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html "Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld American poison gas for Saddam,..." "American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq." It's one person's article that he wrote and posted on his own website. It is only his *claim* which he doesn't back-up with *facts*, as there are none to support his two statements or he would have used them. I could put up a website and claim that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers, that doesn't make it a fact. Do you not understand the difference? That man Daan de Wit is intelligent and successful (media, books) in the Netherlands. But he is also a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther, you think he's a good source for you to cite just because it supports what *You* want to believe? ------------------------------------------------- And the other *article* you cite as fact, here's a good example of his *facts* as Bull****. http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/...mical-weapons/ The article was written by Norm Dixon who writes for Australia's 'Green Left Weekly'. "Online version of the progressive newspaper published by the Democratic Socialist Party (Australia)." www.greenleft.org.au/ "It is believed that US-supplied choppers were used in the 1988 chemical attack on the Kurdish village of Halabja, which killed 5000 people." "US-supplied choppers" "used" "chemical attack" "killed 5000 people" That is his *only* mention of how the Halabja attack was carried-out! Nothing on the French supplied fighter jets [also Russian Migs were seen by an eyewitness Iranian journalist] that dropped the chemical bombs or that some *unknown make* of helicopters *just* oversaw the operation. And you would think that in a military operation the high ranking commanders like Generals would go into an attack in attack helicopters vs unarmed civilian ones maybe? An eyewitness account; "The five-hour attack began early in the evening of 16 March 1988, following a series of random attacks using rocket and napalm, when Iraqi Mirage [FRENCH] aircraft began dropping chemical bombs on Halabja's residential areas, far from the besieged Iraqi army base on the outskirts of the town. An Iraqi aircraft conducted up to 20 bombings in sorties of seven to eight planes each; HELICOPTERS coordinating the operation were also seen." ------------------------------------- The US sold Iraq 60 unarmed civilian use helicopters which were confiscated during their war by the military for VIP transport. None were *ever* armed, why do a half-ass foolish attempt to make it into an attack helicopter when you are already supplied with 2 of the World's best *ATTACK* helicopters? Iraq's attack helicopter force was Russian and French. From the Russians a large number of the Mil-24 Hind *ATTACK* helicopters *armed* with cannon and missiles and it is reported that some had chemical weapon sprayers. From the French a large number of Gazelle *ATTACK* helicopters. And with the French against International Law suppling spare parts for their jets and helicopters during the 10 year embargo on Iraq. |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask an I...
On Apr 12, 10:42*am, (Poetic Justice) wrote:
charnoir wrote; http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137 html [Snip] http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17 how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemica -weapons/ [Snip] So your *fact cites* are from 2 private citizens both with a bias, agendas, etc and on the fringe of society? www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html "Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld American poison gas for Saddam,..." "American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq." It's one person's article that he wrote and posted on his own website. So? *It is only his *claim* which he doesn't back-up with *facts*, as there are none to support his two statements or he would have used them. You expect the government to accept responsibliety for that? I could put up a website and claim that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers, that doesn't make it a fact. What personal website? Neither Deep Journal or Counterpunch are personal web istes! Do you not understand the difference? I understand the US government willl not put up a web site admitting to that! That man Daan de Wit is intelligent and successful (media, books) in the Netherlands. But he is also a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther, you think he's a good source for you to cite just because it supports what *You* want to believe? .. |
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Bloomberg 04/08/13: "Was the Iraq Invasion Worthwhile? Ask anI...
[It's one person's article that he wrote and
posted on his own website.] chatnoir wrote; So? So?.... I assume you believe everything on any person's website *without facts, proof, evidence*? If you do, Ancient Aliens built the Pyramids and Stonehedge. And my earlier post, now on the Google Usenet Archives' website is a fact that Rumsfeld and Saddam were lovers? Or is it a "So?" like, I don't want to hear about facts, proof or evidence that effects my views that *I* cannot possibly prove? [It is only his *claim* which he doesn't back-up with *facts*, as there are none to support his two statements or he would have used them.] You expect the government to accept responsibliety for that? Responsibility For What! What some Dutch guy *claims* on a *his* conspiracy nutcase website? Are you serious!!! There is zero proof that the US or *anyone* send 'Poison Gas' to Iraq. No paper trail, no 1st hand accounts (civilian, military) people talk esp years later and NONE was found that could be traced back to the US or anyone. NOTHING! ZERO! But yet this joker *claims* he knows exactly what Rumsfeld and Saddam's private conversation was decades ago and what resulted because of it. And *you* believe it! And you see nothing wrong with your reasoning? AMAZING! "Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld American poison gas for Saddam,..." "American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq." What personal website? Neither Deep Journal or Counterpunch are personal web istes! Read what I wrote! And not what you want to believe I wrote. I *did not* say 'Counterpunch' was a personal website, I even give the damn link for the original story that they ran on their radical and very popular website! I called 'Deep Journal' a personal website. Now you tell me who the "personal" owner of Deep Journal's website is? Right at the top of the Homepage "Follow Daan De Wit on Twitter" with *nobody* else mentioned. Click-on 'About' on the Homepage www.deepjournal.com/p/58.html On the 1st line. "DeepJournal is made by Daan de Wit." With *his* photo in *his* and only *his* bio! And not only is he intelligent and successful, he's also a very handsome man but he's still a conspiracy nut and a 9/11 Truther. And he has posted 1500 of *his* own articles on *his* own website. [Do you not understand the difference?] I understand the US government willl not put up a web site admitting to that! Admitting To What! False claims because wingnuts like you and him believe them? Nobody sent Saddam intact chemical weapon gases or liquids or intact chemical weapons...Nobody! West German companies (like Karl Kolb) built 7 chemical weapon factories *IN* Iraq. The Iraqis manufactured the chemical weapons with German help and then put them in artillary shells and aircraft bombs and they were all delivered by Non-US made military weapons to gas the Iranians and the Kurds. Those are the Facts they are proven! They are not some Bull**** claims made on websites by one person sitting at a computer who ignores all the proven physical, 1st hand accounts and paper trail evidence and then just makes-up their own "facts" for their personal agendas. |
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