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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise "Dr. Tim Ball, whose Canada Free Press column. "Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?" was posted by the Drudge Report ion Feb. 5, is one of the eminent scientists quoted in the documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" to be aired in Britain on Channel 4.com/science this Thursday." A later show brough in the US brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. There was only one catch. The more than 70 names "indeed do question" and "are skeptics of this new mad hysteria here" about global warming, according to host Sean Hannity. The list had many prominent names, including three people connected to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), climatologists, scientists and noted hurricane expert Bill Gray. Many of the names might be familiar to readers who follow the issue, such as Dr. Richard Lindzen, a meteorologist from MIT, and Dr. Patrick Michaels, professor of environmental science from the University of Virginia. The list also included two reviewers and an atmospheric science consultant affiliated with the U.N.'s IPCC. Those three we Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant; Peter Dietze, an official reviewer and Dr. Vincent Gray, an expert reviewer. These are names of scientists who The show brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. There was only one catch. The more than 70 names "indeed do question" and "are skeptics of this new mad hysteria here" about global warming, according to host Sean Hannity. The list had many prominent names, including three people connected to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), climatologists, scientists and noted hurricane expert Bill Gray. Many of the names might be familiar to readers who follow the issue, such as Dr. Richard Lindzen, a meteorologist from MIT, and Dr. Patrick Michaels, professor of environmental science from the University of Virginia. The list also included two reviewers and an atmospheric science consultant affiliated with the U.N.'s IPCC. Those three we Dr. Richard S. Courtney, a climate and atmospheric science consultant; Peter Dietze, an official reviewer and Dr. Vincent Gray, an expert reviewer. Ball summed up the real nature of the current climate debate. "There's no question it's political and it's driven by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a political organization." Ball went on to point out that the 2,000 people who worked on the recent IPCC report included "bureaucrats" and "political people," "not 2,000 scientists." http://www.businessandmedia.org/spec...Scientists.asp List of scientists who question question the global warming hysteria:. * Khabibullo Abdusamatov, Scientist, Russian Academy of Sciences * Dr. William J.R. Alexander, Professor Emeritus, University of Pretoria * Dr. Claude Allegre, Geophysicist, Institute of Geophysics * Dr. August H. Auer, Former professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Wyoming * Dennis Avery, Environment economist, Center for Global Food Issues * Dr. Sallie L. Baliunas, Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics * Dr. Timothy Ball, Canadaian Climatologist and Former Professor, University of Winnipeg * Dr. Robert C. Balling, Jr., Climatologist, Arizona State University * Dr. Jack Barrett, Chemist and Spectroscopist, Formerly with Imperial College London * Dr. David Bellamy, Honorary Professor for Adult and Continuation Education, Durham University * Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Reader, University of Hull * Dr. Simon Brassell, Geologist, University of Indiana * Dr. Reid Bryson, Meteorologist, University of Wisconsin-Madison * Mr. Nigel Calder, Former Editor, The New Scientist Magazine * Dr. Robert M. Carter, Geologist, James Cook University * Dr. Ian Castles, Fellow, Australian National University * Dr. Petr Chylek, Physics and Atmospheric Science Adjunct Professor, Dalhousie University * Dr. Ian D. Clark, Earth Sciences Professor, University of Ottawa * Dr. Paul Cooper, Professor Emeritus, Laurentian University * Dr. Richard S. Courtney, Climate and Atmospheric Science Consultant, Climate and Atmospheric Science Consultant * Dr. Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor and Climate Scientist, The University of Auckland * Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, Official Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change * Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies * Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, Physicist/Meteorologist, Formerly with Livermore National Laboratory * Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, Professor of Energy Conversion, The Ohio State University * Dr. Christopher Essex, Applied Mathematics Professor, University of Western Ontario * Dr. Bill Gray, Professor Emeritus, Colorado State University * Dr. Vincent Gray, Expert Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change * Dr. Keith D. Hage, Meteorology Professor Emeritus, University of Alberta * Dr. Howard Hayden, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut * Dr. Douglas Hoyt, Retired Scientist, Raytheon Company * Dr. Andrei Illarionov, Chief Economic Adviser, Russian President Vladimir Putin * Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, Physicist and Chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection * Dr. Ola Johanneseen, Professor, Nasen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center * Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, Emeritus Professor, Stockholm University * Dr. Aynsley Kellow, Professor, University of Tasmania * Dr. Madhav Khandekar, Former Research Scientist, Environment Canada * Mr. William Kinimonth, Former Head, National Climate Centre * Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, Former Advisor to the Executive Board, Clingendael Institute * Dr. Douglas Leahey, Meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary * Dr. Marcel Leroux, Climatology Professor Emeritus, University of Lyon * Dr. Dennis Lettenmaier, Hydrology Professor, University of Washington * Dr. Richard Lindzen, Meteorologist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology * Dr. Bjorn Lomborg, Associate Statistics Professor, University of Aarhus * Dr. Alister McFarquhar, International Economist, Downing College * Dr. Ross McKitrick, Associate Economics Professor, University of Guelph * Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, Professor of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia * Dr. Fred Michel, Associate Professor, Carleton University * Dr. M.R. Morgan, Climate Consultant, First Minister of Wales * Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, Emeritus Professor, Stockholm University * Dr. Tad Murty, Adjunct Professor, University of Ottawa * Mr. David Nowell, Fellow, Royal Meteorological Society * Dr. Garth W. Paltridge, Director, The Cooperative Research Centre for Antarctica and the Southern Ocean * Dr. Benny Peiser, Professor of Social Antrhopology, Liverpool John Moores University * Dr. Al Pekarek, Associate Professor of Geology, St. Cloud State University * Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr., Meteorologist, Cooperative Institute of Research * Dr. Ian Plimer, Professor, University of Adelaide and University of Melbourne * Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, Emeritus Professor, Utrecht University * Dr. Andreas Prokoph, Adjunct Professor, University of Ottawa * Dr. Paul Reiter, Professor, Institut Pasteur * Dr. Art Robinson, Founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine * Dr. Arthur Rorsch, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Genetics, Leiden University * Dr. Rob Scagel, Principal Consultant, Pacific Consultants * Dr. Gary Sharp, Director, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study * Dr. Nir J. Shaviv, Astrophysicist, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem * Dr. Fred Singer, Climatologist, The Competitive Enterprise Institute * Dr. Graham Smith, Associate Professor, University of Western Ontario * Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist, The University of Alabama * Dr. Henrik Svensmark, Climate Scientist, Danish Space Research Institute * Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, Applied Mathematics Professor, University of Alberta * Mr. George Taylor, State climatologist, State of Oregon * Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, Retired Director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute * Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations * Dr. G. Cornelis van Koten, Environmental and Climate Change Professor, University of Victoria * Dr. Jan Veizer, Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa * Dr. Boris Winterhalter, Retired Senior Marine Researcher, Geological Survey of Finland * Dr. David E. 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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
On 9 Mar 2007 12:08:52 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise "Dr. Tim Ball, whose Canada Free Press column. "Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?" was posted by the Drudge Report ion Feb. 5, is one of the eminent scientists quoted in the documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" to be aired in Britain on Channel 4.com/science this Thursday." A later show brough in the US brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. the rate you're going you'll soon collect a full house http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG). [2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy. [3] Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. [5] http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die "But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles. He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years. Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you'll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball's former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: "[The money's] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry," says Prof. Cooper. "It's also from foundations and individuals. I can't tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals." " and much more... various sources are daring him to sue them... http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006...all_sue_me.php "Whatever one may feel about Tim Ball's denial of climate change science, newspapers ought to report factual summaries of authors' credentials. You note that he "was the first Climatology PhD in Canada and worked as a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years". Ball received a PhD in Geography in the UK in 1982, on a topic in historical climatology. Canada already had PhDs in climatology, and it is important to recognize them and their research. Examples include Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his PhD in 1950, also in the UK. Climatologist Andre Robert (PhD from McGill, 1965) conducted research that laid the groundwork in atmospheric models and climate. Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his PhD from McMaster in 1967. According to Ball's website, he was not a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years. And how could he have? He did not even have an entry-level PhD until 1983, that would allow even Assistant Professor status. During much of the 28 years cited, he was a junior Lecturer who rarely published, and then spent 8 years as a geography professor. His work does not show any evidence of research regarding climate and atmosphere and the few papers he has published concern other matters. There are great gains to be made in science from conjectures and refutations, but sometimes denial is nothing more than denial." you can find further links by the dozen...or the thousand! regards.... -- web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message
ups.com... http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise ......... (cut) .................. # "Never go by authority, because there are always contrary authorities to be found" ; thus, Bertrand Russell (or words to that effect). Yes, there are plenty of persons grandstanding on the Global Warming issue - but who are we to believe? Any climatic change could be entirely natural, and humans have no influence one way or another. Yet the polar ice is melting, glaciers retreating, and the permafrost isn't nearly as permanent as it used to be. Bizarre weather patterns are emerging - and meanwhile The Human Plague sweeps across the planet, chomping everything in its path, egged on by capitalist obsession with "growth". Human factories belch vast quantities of smoke into the atmosphere - but, not to worry, it won't cause any harm. What is the most characteristic trait of humans - activity! They just won't leave anything alone. The only time they don't act is - when it involves fixing a problem of their own making; then it's a case of "it's only natural", or "the Lord will provide". ==================== Epitaph to Complacency ==================== I'm a Green Froggy, and I am well tanked; Don't worry 'bout me, if I swam or I sanked. The water was cool, then pleasantly warm. 'Bout me, the bubbles, started to swarm. Do I detect something? a fire being stoked? (There is nothing more, as our Froggy just croaked.) ========================================== |
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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
On Mar 9, 12:25 pm, abelard wrote:
On 9 Mar 2007 12:08:52 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise "Dr. Tim Ball, whose Canada Free Press column. "Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?" was posted by the Drudge Report ion Feb. 5, is one of the eminent scientists quoted in the documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" to be aired in Britain on Channel 4.com/science this Thursday." A later show brough in the US brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. the rate you're going you'll soon collect a full house Desperate times call for desperate measures . http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG). [2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy. [3] Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. [5] http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die "But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles. He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years. Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you'll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball's former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: "[The money's] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry," says Prof. Cooper. "It's also from foundations and individuals. I can't tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals." " and much more... various sources are daring him to sue them...http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006...all_sue_me.php "Whatever one may feel about Tim Ball's denial of climate change science, newspapers ought to report factual summaries of authors' credentials. You note that he "was the first Climatology PhD in Canada and worked as a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years". Ball received a PhD in Geography in the UK in 1982, on a topic in historical climatology. Canada already had PhDs in climatology, and it is important to recognize them and their research. Examples include Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his PhD in 1950, also in the UK. Climatologist Andre Robert (PhD from McGill, 1965) conducted research that laid the groundwork in atmospheric models and climate. Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his PhD from McMaster in 1967. According to Ball's website, he was not a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years. And how could he have? He did not even have an entry-level PhD until 1983, that would allow even Assistant Professor status. During much of the 28 years cited, he was a junior Lecturer who rarely published, and then spent 8 years as a geography professor. His work does not show any evidence of research regarding climate and atmosphere and the few papers he has published concern other matters. There are great gains to be made in science from conjectures and refutations, but sometimes denial is nothing more than denial." you can find further links by the dozen...or the thousand! regards.... -- web site atwww.abelard.org- news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
On 9 Mar, 20:25, abelard wrote:
On 9 Mar 2007 12:08:52 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise "Dr. Tim Ball, whose Canada Free Press column. "Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?" was posted by the Drudge Report ion Feb. 5, is one of the eminent scientists quoted in the documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" to be aired in Britain on Channel 4.com/science this Thursday." A later show brough in the US brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. the rate you're going you'll soon collect a full house http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG). [2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy. [3] Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. [5] http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die "But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles. He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years. Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you'll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball's former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: "[The money's] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry," says Prof. Cooper. "It's also from foundations and individuals. I can't tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals." " and much more... various sources are daring him to sue them...http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006...all_sue_me.php "Whatever one may feel about Tim Ball's denial of climate change science, newspapers ought to report factual summaries of authors' credentials. You note that he "was the first Climatology PhD in Canada and worked as a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years". Ball received a PhD in Geography in the UK in 1982, on a topic in historical climatology. Canada already had PhDs in climatology, and it is important to recognize them and their research. Examples include Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his PhD in 1950, also in the UK. Climatologist Andre Robert (PhD from McGill, 1965) conducted research that laid the groundwork in atmospheric models and climate. Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his PhD from McMaster in 1967. According to Ball's website, he was not a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years. And how could he have? He did not even have an entry-level PhD until 1983, that would allow even Assistant Professor status. During much of the 28 years cited, he was a junior Lecturer who rarely published, and then spent 8 years as a geography professor. His work does not show any evidence of research regarding climate and atmosphere and the few papers he has published concern other matters. There are great gains to be made in science from conjectures and refutations, but sometimes denial is nothing more than denial." you can find further links by the dozen...or the thousand! And all the others? I hope such an important topic is not going to boil down to what is written in somebody's blog! It's generally accepted that when one resorts to personal attack to counter an academic argument then it's fairly certain that the attacker experiences difficulty in attacking the academics. Whatever Ball is or is not he certainly isn't a fraud. However, some of these difficulties might be laid to rest if one considers the nature of climatology. It is a disciplinary study involving elements of Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Geography and God knows what else. I was surprised to find a few minutes ago that any university offered a first degree in Climatology. Apparently the University of New South Wales claims the distinction of offering the world's first degree course in this area from 2001. This would mean that all entrants into this field would and will come from diverse academic backgrounds. Specialisms within University departments are not exactly unknown. Too much credance ought not to be paid to the general label Geography. Taking the PhD from the University of London the title of his thesis was: "Climatic Change in Central Canada: A preliminary analysis of weather information from the Hudson's Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850." Where it will remain archived for all to see. Ball claims a PhD in climatology. That might represent a simplification but there is little doubt that he was awarded a PhD by the UoL as the result of a climatological study. Now the question as to the "Doctor" nonesense. It is claimed by his critics that he has "upgraded" his PhD to a more "prestigious" Doctor of Science. Now it may well be that the term Doctor of Science and Doctor of Philosophy may be interchangeable in the US in cases where the study in question falls within the broad field of Science. This is not the case in the UK where the degree of Doctor of Science is only awarded these days as an honourary degree. As such it has no academic significance whatsoever. It's tragic that nothing can be levelled against a swimmer against the tide other than the cry "He's a charletan" "He's in the pay of the oil companies etc." With regard to the latter I think he answers the slur admirably "In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment? " It is true that if you Google you will find lots of references to Ball. You will find very few, if any, challenges to the science underlying his arguments. If he is a fraud then this science must be very flimsy indeed and thus very simple to challenge. Hence if he is to be attacked, attack him there because it is there where it matters. |
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Inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan
Complaints about inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan can be sent to
. As always, include the entire post, with the "headers". With most programs, you can simply type "h" to see the headers; with Outlook Express, try Ctrl-F3. Follow-ups set to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. |
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Inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
Complaints about inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan can be sent to . As always, include the entire post, with the "headers". With most programs, you can simply type "h" to see the headers; with Outlook Express, try Ctrl-F3. Follow-ups set to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. Complaints about inappropriate posts by Yves Bellefeuille can be sent to X-Abus-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers |
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Inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan
B J Foster wrote:
Yves Bellefeuille wrote: Complaints about inappropriate posts by PJ O'Donovan can be sent to . As always, include the entire post, with the "headers". With most programs, you can simply type "h" to see the headers; with Outlook Express, try Ctrl-F3. Follow-ups set to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. Complaints about inappropriate posts by Yves Bellefeuille can be sent to X-Abus-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers Lol...really. I guess YB feels like a real big guy when he netKKKops for something like a lame off -topic post... -- Best Greg |
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Many eminent scientists question Gore's "man made" global warming hysteria as politically motivated chicanery
On 9 Mar 2007 14:36:29 -0800, "Mel Rowing"
wrote: On 9 Mar, 20:25, abelard wrote: On 9 Mar 2007 12:08:52 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover030607.htm The Great Global Warming Swindle Climatologist Tim Ball's star on the rise "Dr. Tim Ball, whose Canada Free Press column. "Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?" was posted by the Drudge Report ion Feb. 5, is one of the eminent scientists quoted in the documentary, "The Great Global Warming Swindle" to be aired in Britain on Channel 4.com/science this Thursday." A later show brough in the US brought on Dr. Timothy Ball, one of the climatologists in the new documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle." While Ball discussed the new movie and how Al Gore has "got a lot of the facts wrong," a list of global warming scientists rolled across the screen. the rate you're going you'll soon collect a full house http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ball Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). [1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG). [2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy. [3] Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science. [4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. [5] http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die "But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles. He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years. Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you'll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball's former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: "[The money's] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry," says Prof. Cooper. "It's also from foundations and individuals. I can't tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals." " and much more... various sources are daring him to sue them...http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006...all_sue_me.php "Whatever one may feel about Tim Ball's denial of climate change science, newspapers ought to report factual summaries of authors' credentials. You note that he "was the first Climatology PhD in Canada and worked as a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years". Ball received a PhD in Geography in the UK in 1982, on a topic in historical climatology. Canada already had PhDs in climatology, and it is important to recognize them and their research. Examples include Kenneth Hare, a well-respected Professor at McGill, who received his PhD in 1950, also in the UK. Climatologist Andre Robert (PhD from McGill, 1965) conducted research that laid the groundwork in atmospheric models and climate. Timothy Oke, a leader in the study of urban climate, received his PhD from McMaster in 1967. According to Ball's website, he was not a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years. And how could he have? He did not even have an entry-level PhD until 1983, that would allow even Assistant Professor status. During much of the 28 years cited, he was a junior Lecturer who rarely published, and then spent 8 years as a geography professor. His work does not show any evidence of research regarding climate and atmosphere and the few papers he has published concern other matters. There are great gains to be made in science from conjectures and refutations, but sometimes denial is nothing more than denial." you can find further links by the dozen...or the thousand! And all the others? I hope such an important topic is not going to boil down to what is written in somebody's blog! It's generally accepted that when one resorts to personal attack to counter an academic argument then it's fairly certain that the attacker experiences difficulty in attacking the academics. Whatever Ball is or is not he certainly isn't a fraud. i've heard him....i've seen him...i know some of whom he is working for.... you make your judgement i'll make mine..... i'd rather trust bloggers who work than fossil media who mostly copy and rarely work..... look at my latest fred if you wish to defend the fossil media.... However, some of these difficulties might be laid to rest if one considers the nature of climatology. It is a disciplinary study involving elements of Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Geography and God knows what else. I was surprised to find a few minutes ago that any university offered a first degree in Climatology. Apparently the University of New South Wales claims the distinction of offering the world's first degree course in this area from 2001. note his regular claims This would mean that all entrants into this field would and will come from diverse academic backgrounds. Specialisms within University departments are not exactly unknown. Too much credance ought not to be paid to the general label Geography. agreed....but hardly the point Taking the PhD from the University of London the title of his thesis was: phd in geography? "Climatic Change in Central Canada: A preliminary analysis of weather information from the Hudson's Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850." Where it will remain archived for all to see. Ball claims a PhD in climatology. That might represent a simplification no....an inaccuracy... but there is little doubt that he was awarded a PhD by the UoL as the result of a climatological study. Now the question as to the "Doctor" nonesense. It is claimed by his critics that he has "upgraded" his PhD to a more "prestigious" Doctor of Science. Now it may well be that the term Doctor of Science and Doctor of Philosophy may be interchangeable in the US in cases where the study in question falls within the broad field of Science. This is not the case in the UK where the degree of Doctor of Science is only awarded these days as an honourary degree. As such it has no academic significance whatsoever. the american system 'titles' is very different.... with ordinary lecturers widely called 'professors' i ommited to comment on this because it merely confuses issues... It's tragic that nothing can be levelled against a swimmer against the tide other than the cry "He's a charletan" "He's in the pay of the oil companies etc." With regard to the latter I think he answers the slur admirably "In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment? " one conclusion does not follow from the other.... you are confusing your case such as it is..... to requote " I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda is he claiming it's a 'lie' of is he claiming that if they are paying you that is likely to mean you have an agenda? It is true that if you Google you will find lots of references to Ball. You will find very few, if any, challenges to the science underlying his arguments. If he is a fraud then this science must be very flimsy indeed and thus very simple to challenge. as stated...i've listened to him.... i hear plenty waffle....and very little substance..... i'm only interested in the end in his claims and whether he can back them.... when i see clear and real claims...and then when i see real and clear backing...i'll be interested... in the meantime the useful content i have seen from him is zero..... Hence if he is to be attacked, attack him there because it is there where it matters. agreed.... now find sommat he is actually saying complete with backing.... atm all i have is his waffle, his apparent money sources and dubious claims to 'authority' a stream of fossil media claims are being paraded here.... each one is of very low content... most of the so-called 'authorities' used by these fossil media 'reports'...and the posters presenting them....seem to end up in ectoplasm and fossil fuel corporations i will be delighted to see anything with more substance... even with oil/coal money behind it..... i may even learn sommat..... but i will not stand idly by while idiots make and quote claims and 'reports' that they, thus far, cannot even start to back up.... regards -- web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick. good people do nothing [] trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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