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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Bob Myers wrote:
, so we wind up with the need to cover, say, the entire state of Ohio with solar panels for a solar-driven fleet of vehicles to be supported. Somehow...I don't think so. Bob M. Perhaps there is another source of energy that would make more sense than solar panels? France has actually accomplished something there. |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
"TMOliver" wrote in message ... "William Black" wrote... India wants to build loads but wants nuclear weapons as well, and so isn't allowed to buy them. Since I understand that India (with few fossil fuels of its own to recover locally) is now the world's third largest consumer of energy (not counting the energy consumed pumping those little spinning wheels), I applaud the effort. I do hope you apreciate that the spinning wheels are still being ,made. I visited the famous spinning wheel factory founded by Gandhi in Ahmedabad only this year. I rather fancied one of the "businessman's models" that packed away into its own laptop sized wooden briefcase so that the dedicated but travelling follower could spin in the evenings in his hotel room. But luggage allowances and courier rates to Europe (and the wife, who said it would just be 'more clutter') decreed it was not to be, this trip anyway... As for other countries refusing to sell nuclear weapons, I thought India had its own devices. Is the world refusing to sell India reactors for power generation? Yes. They're trying to do a deal with the USA as I type but: 1. The left wing of the current Indian coalition won't play because they say it gives the evil Imperialist Yankees too great a say in Indian policy. 2. There is an individual Congressman in the USA who is against it and keeps 'fillibustering' (is that the right word) the act and stopping it getting passed. If so, given its technological leap forward and a traditionally modest approach to minimizing industrial hazards, India could build one on every corner. On the other hand "tea kettles" heated by uranium to produce steam have largely been deemed unsuitable for cottage industry applications. If you think thieves will cart off any available copper wire, just think of what they might do with enriched fuel pellets. India tends not to be like other places. For example, I have a rather fetching elephant hair bracelet made with copper wire 'salvaged' from the railway... Only certain licensed rural villages are alowed to manufacture elephant hair bracelets. Nobody kicks too hard, you wouldn't want to find the 10:15 to Whereeverabad held up by an elephant on the line... India has its own design for reactors. It also has a fuel supply problem caused by their none signature on the non proliferation treaty, and another problem because India is not good at large projects and it's all running very late indeed. Remember that this is a country where adjoining plots of land were given to two power companies to build conventional generating plants on, but one plot overlapped the other slightly doe to a clerrical error. The resultant mess then took ten years in the courts to sort out and was resolved late last year. Also remembering that India is a country where most of the people have power for 10 hours in every twelve (except in the capital city where it's nine in twelve) I find this incredible. But when I'm in India I live in the only place with reliable 24 hour power... "See the subtle glow in the Maharani's gardens! Those are not solar powered low voltage lights!" See the glow! This is India. They'd be selling tickets to the party illuminated by the new and exciting green glow... Quite possibly with the slogan "Take the glow home tonight" -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Following up to Dusty Furtile Morrocan
wrote: The notion of 'green fuel' is ridiculous. It's like saying low tar cigarettes are healthy. indeed, and its turning out that even more rainforest is being cut down to make it. Its also causing food shortages. As for aircraft fuel being too expensive, its actually way too cheap and escapes taxes. Green, no. Sustainable, maybe. -- Mike Remove clothing to email |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Mike....... wrote:
Following up to Dusty Furtile Morrocan wrote: The notion of 'green fuel' is ridiculous. It's like saying low tar cigarettes are healthy. indeed, and its turning out that even more rainforest is being cut down to make it. Its also causing food shortages. As for aircraft fuel being too expensive, its actually way too cheap and escapes taxes. Green, no. Sustainable, maybe. Bio-airfuels are probably one of the few bio-fuels for which an argument can be made, assuming you accept the basis of the argument that man is changing the climate due to the amount of CO2 we are releasing from fossil reserves. There are many equally good, and frequently better alternatives to using bio-fuels in our cars and other ground based transport, and the effects on the general envireonment of the production of bio-fuls to replace petrol & diesel far outways the benefits. However in one areas there is little alternative at this time, air-fuels. Non of the current alternatives have the energy capacity needed to make air-flight economic, however the amount of air-fuel need is miniscule compared to the petrol & disel we use and can be produced without any major general envireonmental effects. The alternative to to make air-travel once again the privilage of the rich or to use bio-airfuls and allow the world to travel. Steve Cooper |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Following up to Steve Cooper wrote:
however the amount of air-fuel need is miniscule compared to the petrol & disel we use for the moment, the expected growth will wipe out UKs attempts to cap growth. -- Mike Remove clothing to email |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Mike....... wrote:
Following up to Steve Cooper wrote: however the amount of air-fuel need is miniscule compared to the petrol & disel we use for the moment, the expected growth will wipe out UKs attempts to cap growth. Which is why you need a green alternative to using fossil fuels. Properly managed you can produce enough bio-fuel to satisfy the air transport industry from waste bio-sources without the need to cut down rain-forest for palm oil or any of the other detremental actions needed to significatly replace fossil fuels with bio-fuels for ground transport. Ground transport is much more suited to be part of the Hydrogen economy. But with current technology Hydrogen is not going to ne an economic fuel for air-travel and this will be the case the next few decades at least. Accepting the GW premis, we neec to dramatically cut CO2 emmisions from fossil reserves with the next 20 years. Asking people to do this by dramatically reducing their standard of living will not work. You have to find ways to make the cuts with only marginal effects on peopled standard of living. This is why Nuclear is a sensible option for the next few decades until fusion comes into play, and why bio-airfuels are a sensible option. Thet both allow us to cut CO2 emmission from fossil reserves whilst only reducing our standard of living marginally. I know some elements of the green lobby think we should suffer for the damage we've done to the envireonment in the past and that we should cut our standard of living to what they think are substainable levels. But people will not do this and we have to find ways to cut CO2 that thet will live with. The alternative is to try for the impossible and fail and live with the consequences Steve Cooper |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
On the particular moment of Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:16:38 +0000 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Steve Cooper put forth: Mike....... wrote: for the moment, the expected growth will wipe out UKs attempts to cap growth. Which is why you need a green alternative to using fossil fuels. Properly managed you can produce enough bio-fuel to satisfy the air transport industry from waste bio-sources without the need to cut down rain-forest for palm oil or any of the other detremental actions needed to significatly replace fossil fuels with bio-fuels for ground transport. "Properly managed", people will work for nothing, wars will be won without death, and I will be overseeing it. Ground transport is much more suited to be part of the Hydrogen economy. But with current technology Hydrogen is not going to ne an economic fuel for air-travel and this will be the case the next few decades at least. Accepting the GW premis, we neec to dramatically cut CO2 emmisions from fossil reserves with the next 20 years. Asking people to do this by dramatically reducing their standard of living will not work. You have to find ways to make the cuts with only marginal effects on peopled standard of living. This is why Nuclear is a sensible option for the next few decades until fusion comes into play, and why bio-airfuels are a sensible option. Thet both allow us to cut CO2 emmission from fossil reserves whilst only reducing our standard of living marginally. Dude, at least re-read your post once before hitting send. That looks like you were typing it with your face. I know some elements of the green lobby think we should suffer for the damage we've done to the envireonment in the past and that we should cut our standard of living to what they think are substainable levels. But people will not do this and we have to find ways to cut CO2 that thet will live with. The alternative is to try for the impossible and fail and live with the consequences Greens have done a consistently lousy job thus far of predicting the doomed future, so it's no wonder they are largely ignored now. All they want to do is turn things around, as if that's ever going to happen. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
Mr. Travel wrote: Chocolate Sandwich wrote: Saturday February 2, 08:36 AM Super Jumbo Takes Off Using 'Green' Fuel By Sky News http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/02022008/140...reen-fuel.html The Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft, has become the first commercial plane to fly on "green" fuel. What is the cost per barrel equivalent of this fuel? Airlines aren't doing so great with the current fuel prices they pay. I wonder why it is better to deplete natural gas than to deplete oil? Burning natural gas is cleaner than burning oil. |
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