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  #21  
Old January 20th, 2008, 04:51 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Rick Blaine
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Default Boeing 777 runs out of air

"Chilly8" wrote:

I had never heard of aircraft having to keep and 250 KIAS,
or below, when below 10,000 ft.


Clearly you aren't a pilot, as every pilot knows that rule.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:45 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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Chilly8 writes:

I wonder why FS-Passengers will dock me points if I exceed
250 KIAS at any altitude below 10,000 ft MSL. If I do,
the end of flight reported will be "All aircraft are prohibited
from exceed 250 KIAS below 10,000'", and then say
"you execeded this limit",by a certain amount.


That's not very realistic, since real-world passengers don't normally measure
the speed or altitude of an aircraft, and they certainly aren't likely to be
familiar with air regulations.

I had never heard of aircraft having to keep and 250 KIAS,
or below, when below 10,000 ft.


It's a Federal Air Regulation, specifically, FAR 91.117(a).
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:49 PM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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JohnT writes:

Wrong again. 3rd March 1974, following take-off from Paris. 345 people died.


It was a cargo door. So while it is true that some doors might blow out (the
DC-10 had a design flaw in this respect), they aren't necessarily doors to the
passenger cabin, which are normally held shut by air pressure.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:50 PM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
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Mr Travel writes:

I don't think they use the MS simulator for this.


MSFS isn't designed for that, although it can be used to simulate some types
of emergencies. It can be used for other purposes.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 08:51 PM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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DevilsPGD writes:

True enough, *if* you assume your simulation is accurate to begin with.
Despite Microsoft's substantial resources, I would most definitely *not*
make that assumption in a product marketed as a game rather then a
certified simulation product.


It is marketed as a game for marketing and legal reasons. Certified
simulations are generally no better than uncertified simulations, except for
the _specific_ purposes for which they've been certified (which are often
extremely narrow).
  #26  
Old January 20th, 2008, 09:15 PM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:47:10 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

R. Mark Clayton ("R. Mark Clayton" ) gurgled
happily, sounding much like they were saying:

In order to reduce the carbon footprint and the amount of fuel
carried on long haul flights, pilots need accurate (calibrated)
fuel gauges.


One would think that on any transatlantic flight the tanks will filled
to 100 percent of capacity.


How do you fly transatlantic from Beijing to London?


Anti-clockwise when looking at the north pole. It is quite a bit
further though!

The 'great circle route is 8,160km over Mongolia, Russia, Helsinki
[Finland], Sweden and Denmark.


A quick google shows Beijing-to-London to be _well_ within range of a
777-200 ER like the Heathrow one, especially with only a half load of
passengers.


That is hardly surprising, since that is precisely what it was doing -
and on a commercial route, they very rarely go anywhere close to their
theoretical maximum range.
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Old January 20th, 2008, 10:12 PM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
Marty Shapiro
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Mr Travel wrote in
:

Marty Shapiro wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote in
:


Mr. Travel writes:


I know it doesn't matter in your simulator game, but in real life,
transporting additional unneeded fuel is expensive.

Where did the author of that post mention simulators?



Chilly8 is a simulator retard, just like you. Niether of
you know the
difference between flying a real airplane and the pretend "flying"
you do in front of MSFS.

In the real world, flying is not simply setting the
autopilot on a
simulator and then stroking your joy stick while a video display
flickers in front of you.


I also guess Chilly's simulator doesn't care if the plane is full of
fuel, because it doesn't care about costs.


Chilly8's simulator doesn't care about anything connected to reality.

According the Chilly8, his simulater knows better than either the
aircraft builder (Boeing, Airbus) or the airline which really files the
aircraft what the range of the aircraft is and even which aircraft the
airline can fly on a given route.

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  #28  
Old January 21st, 2008, 12:40 AM posted to rec.travel.air
d.g.s.
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On 1/20/2008 7:28 AM Chilly8 ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

I had never heard of aircraft having to keep and 250 KIAS,
or below, when below 10,000 ft.


That's because you're a brain-dead idiot who can't separate his
stupid simulator sessions from reality. HTH. Now drop dead, wouldja?
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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:43 AM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
d.g.s.
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On 1/20/2008 4:47 AM Chilly8 ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

I even had FSP once simulate a door
blowing off and rapid decompression of the aircraft.


Oh goodie! Did it make little "boom" noises too?

That is
something that would never happen.


Um, no, idiot-stick, that's not true.

I have never heard of a
door blowing off in mid flight.


That's because your a grade-Z moron.

Doors just don't blow off in
mid flight like that.


Never heard of the infamous cargo-door incident on the DC-10, did
you? Next thing you'll be claiming as that engines just don't
separate from pylons during take-off. You are *such* an idiot.
Is it natural, or do you take drugs to get this way?
--
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Old January 21st, 2008, 01:53 AM posted to uk.legal,rec.travel.air
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Mr Travel writes:

It's a toy.


So are most privately owned aircraft. So what?
 




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