Canada becoming police state?

Jerry Kraus wrote:

Well, actually, socialized medicine works far better than Capitalist
medicine. Virtually no one in Canada would trade their system for the
greedy incompetence of American doctors. Occasionally, Canadians may
need specialized procedures more readily available in the U.S., but,
although FOX news and loons like yourself like to harp on these, these
are very much exceptions. The U.S. has the worst health care, and
the most expensive health care in the industrialized world!
Capitalist incompetence, as usual.

Plus the Canadian system drives manufacturing jobs north, especially
auto manufacturing. It's a huge expense that the automobile companies
don't have to deal with in Canada.

wrote on Sat, 08 Mar 2008
10:24:31 -0800:

?? Jerry Kraus wrote:
??
?? Well, actually, socialized medicine works far better than
?? Capitalist medicine. Virtually no one in Canada would
?? trade their system for the greedy incompetence of
?? American doctors. Occasionally, Canadians may need
?? specialized procedures more readily available in the
?? U.S., but, although FOX news and loons like yourself like
?? to harp on these, these are very much exceptions. The
?? U.S. has the worst health care, and the most expensive
?? health care in the industrialized world! Capitalist
?? incompetence, as usual.
??
?? Plus the Canadian system drives manufacturing jobs north,
?? especially auto manufacturing. It's a huge expense that
?? the automobile companies don't have to deal with in
?? Canada.

The cost argument, especially when it is applied to US
manufacturing seems rather defeatist. Thus, foreign goods,
manufactured in countries with decent public health systems, are
sufficiently advanced and superior to sell at greater prices
than domestic ones!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Sure, the American Fascists claim Canada is a police state. It's a
lame excuse!

They want to take us over because we have a trade surplus, a better
currency, one fifth of the world's fresh water, we are their largest
oil supplier, and we have a fairly socialized European style
government which bugs American gangster corporations and your fascists
no end, etc.

In 2000 Bush and Cheney stole the election in Florida. In 2004 they
played dirty tricks in Ohio. And you have the Fascist Patriot act 1 &
2 and the really creepy Military Commissions Act. Read about this it
on the net.

On May 4 last year, the White House issued the National Security and
Homeland Security Presidential Directive,KEY PARTS OF WHICH REMAIN
CLASSIFIED (what would you expect) and hence shrouded from public
view. Wonder why?

The directive outlines procedures to respond to a so called
"catastrophic emergency," defined broadly as "any incident, regardless
of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties,
damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population,
infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions." Which
means anything your fascists see fit.!

The unclassified part of the directive reveals little about who would
have the authority to invoke emergency powers during a catastrophe
"THE BUSH LEGAL TEAM HAS PUSHED A CONTROVERSIAL THEORY THAT THE
CONSTITUTION GIVES THE PRESIDENT AN UNWRITTEN POWER TO DISOBEY LAWS AT
HIS OWN DISCRETION TO PROTECT NATIONAL SECURITY," writes Charlie
Savage in the Boston Globe. Imagin that!

Added to this is the Department of Homeland Security's $385 million
contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root in
January 2006 to build temporary detention facilities (concentration
camps).

The Bush administration could declare a state of emergency by
starting a war with Iran or with the assassination of a presidential
candidate or lets no kid ourselves, anything they want.

Read what you are in for should your fascist government have one more
crooked election.

Canada is a police state, yeah sure!

On Mar 8, 12:59*pm, Mani Deli wrote:
Sure, the American Fascists claim Canada is a police state. It's a
lame excuse!

They want to take us over because we have a trade surplus, a better
currency, one fifth of the world's fresh water, we are their largest
oil supplier, and we have a fairly socialized European style
government which bugs American gangster corporations and your fascists
no end, etc.

In 2000 Bush and Cheney stole the election in Florida. In 2004 they
played dirty tricks in Ohio. And you have the Fascist Patriot act 1 &
2 and the really creepy Military Commissions Act. Read about this it
on the net.

On May 4 last year, the White House issued the National Security and
Homeland Security Presidential Directive,KEY PARTS OF WHICH REMAIN
CLASSIFIED *(what would you expect) and hence shrouded from public
view. Wonder why?

The directive outlines procedures to respond to a so called
"catastrophic emergency," defined broadly as "any incident, regardless
of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties,
damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population,
infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions." *Which
means anything your fascists see fit.!

The unclassified part of the directive reveals little about who would
have the authority to invoke emergency powers during a catastrophe
"THE BUSH LEGAL TEAM HAS PUSHED A CONTROVERSIAL THEORY THAT THE
CONSTITUTION GIVES THE PRESIDENT AN UNWRITTEN POWER TO DISOBEY LAWS AT
HIS OWN DISCRETION TO PROTECT NATIONAL SECURITY," writes Charlie
Savage in the Boston Globe. Imagin that!

Added to this is the Department of Homeland Security's $385 million
contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root in
January 2006 to build temporary detention facilities (concentration
camps).

The *Bush administration could declare a state of emergency by
starting a war with Iran or with the assassination of a presidential
candidate or lets no kid ourselves, anything they want.

*Read what you are in for should your fascist government have one more
crooked election.

Canada is a police state, yeah sure!

Well, you have a bit of a problem with me, because I'm a dual citizen
-- born in the States, grew up in Canada, moved back to the States --
and I think that Bush and Cheney are fascists, but that Canada IS a
police state. In the sense that police have no checks on their power,
at least in many parts of the country. I'm not saying they're
violent, particularly. Canadian police are less violent, in general,
than American police. But they do have more power than American
police. The Court system seems to be somewhat closer to "guilty until
proven innocent" -- like the British -- than "innocent until proven
guilty". In other words, the police make the call, not judge or jury,
in Canada. And civil litigation is virtually pointless in Canada,
removing an important tool for fighting oppression and incompetence.
All Canadian judges are government appointed, none are elected, as
they are in the U.S., again centralizing control. All Canadian crown
attorneys are government appointed, while U.S. district attorneys are
usually elected. The Canadian Supreme Court does not see its function
as opposing the government, but as "interpreting its will". Canada
has a more centralized power structure than the U.S. That makes it
more of a police state.