838 violent incidents in 107 days on London buses

On 29 May, 12:03, wrote:
The scale of violence on London's buses is revealed today. An average
of eight crimes such as stabbings, sexual assaults and beatings are
reported each day - as well as 160 cases of criminal damage, fights,
fare disputes and drunken clashes.

Seems pretty reasonable - with 2-3 million bus passengers per day (c.
2 billion journeys per year, most of which are returns), a 0.0084%
chance of being a victim of any crime, and a 0.00042% chance of being
a victim of serious crime, are pretty good odds.

Another irrelevance.
The point is not the absolute chance of something happening, but the
comparison of that chance with the chance of a similar event happening
in previous ages. You need to see what is different now from what was
happening within living memory, say fifty years ago.

Rubbish. The chances of being run over by a horse and cart are
substantially lower now than they were 50 years ago; but 50 years ago
they were negligible and they still are, so that improvement isn't
relevant or interesting.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On May 28, 1:19 pm, "William Black"
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"FACE" wrote in message
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From John B , on Wed, 28 May 2008 02:37:10 -0700
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On 27 May, 22:24, ZGoyfire Radio "WE...are the Good Guys"
wrote:
The scale of violence on London's buses is revealed today. An average
of eight crimes such as stabbings, sexual assaults and beatings are
reported each day - as well as 160 cases of criminal damage, fights,
fare disputes and drunken clashes.

Seems pretty reasonable - with 2-3 million bus passengers per day (c.
2 billion journeys per year, most of which are returns), a 0.0084%
chance of being a victim of any crime, and a 0.00042% chance of being
a victim of serious crime, are pretty good odds.

Well yes, but what does the man standing at the back of the Clapham
Omnibus
think?

FACE
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The man standing at the back of the Clapham Omnibus is thinking about
how
long the ambulance is going to take before he bleeds to death from stab
wounds.

So he's the one of four in a million who gets involved in anything...

Silly man...

You're much more likely to end up falling under a bus than get stabbed
riding one...

The two events are unconnected. It makes no sense to play down one
because the chances of it happening are different from the chances of
some unconnected event happening.

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You're insane.

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because twelve
people a year get killed.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On May 29, 2:56*pm, "William Black"
wrote:

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because twelve
people a year get killed.

You still can't tell between accidents and wilful, violent murder, can
you?

Trust me. You'll be clamouring for action, police presence and harsh
sentencing when it happens to you or one of your own. But if it
happens to other people... well, **** 'em, they knew the risks, right?

On May 29, 2:56*pm, "William Black"
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On May 28, 1:19 pm, "William Black"
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"FACE" wrote in message
news From John B , on Wed, 28 May 2008 02:37:10 -0700
(PDT)
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On 27 May, 22:24, ZGoyfire Radio "WE...are the Good Guys"
wrote:
The scale of violence on London's buses is revealed today. An average
of eight crimes such as stabbings, sexual assaults and beatings are
reported each day - as well as 160 cases of criminal damage, fights,
fare disputes and drunken clashes.

Seems pretty reasonable - with 2-3 million bus passengers per day (c.
2 billion journeys per year, most of which are returns), a 0.0084%
chance of being a victim of any crime, and a 0.00042% chance of being
a victim of serious crime, are pretty good odds.

Well yes, but what does the man standing at the back of the Clapham
Omnibus
think?

FACE
---------------------------------------------------------------------------**---------------------------------------
The man standing at the back of the Clapham Omnibus is thinking about
how
long the ambulance is going to take before he bleeds to death from stab
wounds.

So he's the one of four in a million who gets involved in anything...

Silly man...

You're much more likely to end up falling under a bus than get stabbed
riding one...

The two events are unconnected. *It makes no sense to play down one
because the chances of it happening are different from the chances of
some unconnected event happening.

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You're insane.

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because twelve
people a year get killed.

And that does not flow from what I said.

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On May 29, 2:56 pm, "William Black"
wrote:
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You're much more likely to end up falling under a bus than get stabbed
riding one...

The two events are unconnected. It makes no sense to play down one
because the chances of it happening are different from the chances of
some unconnected event happening.

--------------------------------------

You're insane.

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because twelve
people a year get killed.

And that does not flow from what I said.

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It follows exactly.

Fifteen stabbing deaths this year is a tragedy, but it's small beer
compared to the people killed on the roads, or even the other people
murdered.

It's about enough to increase the murder rate by very slightly less than a
tenth of a percentage point, so actually well within the margin of error
for statistical variation due to social effects...

Mortgages going up will cause a sight more people to be murdered as it
increases the stress levels in our society.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On May 29, 10:40*pm, "William Black"
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On May 29, 2:56 pm, "William Black"
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You're much more likely to end up falling under a bus than get stabbed
riding one...

The two events are unconnected. It makes no sense to play down one
because the chances of it happening are different from the chances of
some unconnected event happening.

--------------------------------------

You're insane.

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because twelve
people a year get killed.

And that does not flow from what I said.

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It follows exactly.

Fifteen stabbing deaths this year is a tragedy, *but it's small beer
compared to the people killed on the roads, *or even the other people
murdered.

The comparison is with stabbings previously.

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On May 29, 10:40 pm, "William Black"
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On May 29, 2:56 pm, "William Black"
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wrote in message

You're much more likely to end up falling under a bus than get stabbed
riding one...

The two events are unconnected. It makes no sense to play down one
because the chances of it happening are different from the chances of
some unconnected event happening.

--------------------------------------

You're insane.

You're like the people who've put a vast administrative apparatus in
place
to control DiY people from fitting their own power sockets because
twelve
people a year get killed.

And that does not flow from what I said.

----------------

It follows exactly.

Fifteen stabbing deaths this year is a tragedy, but it's small beer
compared to the people killed on the roads, or even the other people
murdered.

The comparison is with stabbings previously.

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As I said, the number is small enough to be statistically insignificant,
like kids being bitten by dogs.

It's only noticed if the press is busy being nasty about it.

Otherwise it's just background noise to life in the big city...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

John B wrote:
On 27 May, 22:24, ‹ŽGoyfire Radio�‹ "WE...are the Good Guys"
wrote:
The scale of violence on London's buses is revealed today. An average
of eight crimes such as stabbings, sexual assaults and beatings are
reported each day - as well as 160 cases of criminal damage, fights,
fare disputes and drunken clashes.

Seems pretty reasonable - with 2-3 million bus passengers per day (c.
2 billion journeys per year, most of which are returns), a 0.0084%
chance of being a victim of any crime, and a 0.00042% chance of being
a victim of serious crime, are pretty good odds.


The point is not that you find this a reasonable and acceptable rate
of crime, but that no individual in the UK is allowed the means of
self-defense.

You see, the freedom to exercise individual rights is important to
normal people. Self-defense is an individual right.

Unfortunately the British seem to have no guts and refuse to stand
up to their tyrannical cops and MPs.

Now, what I propose is to take you on a circuit of London or New York
and expose you to repeated assaults such as described. You may of course
flail and scream and maybe get a punch in now and then but I suspect you
will have a change of attitude.




John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org


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On Jun 1, 9:15 am, strabo wrote:
John B wrote:
On 27 May, 22:24, ‹ŽGoyfire Radio ‹ "WE...are the Good Guys"
wrote:
The scale of violence on London's buses is revealed today. An average
of eight crimes such as stabbings, sexual assaults and beatings are
reported each day - as well as 160 cases of criminal damage, fights,
fare disputes and drunken clashes.

Seems pretty reasonable - with 2-3 million bus passengers per day (c.
2 billion journeys per year, most of which are returns), a 0.0084%
chance of being a victim of any crime, and a 0.00042% chance of being
a victim of serious crime, are pretty good odds.

The point is not that you find this a reasonable and acceptable rate
of crime, but that no individual in the UK is allowed the means of
self-defense.

You see, the freedom to exercise individual rights is important to
normal people. Self-defense is an individual right.

Unfortunately the British seem to have no guts and refuse to stand
up to their tyrannical cops and MPs.

Now, what I propose is to take you on a circuit of London or New York
and expose you to repeated assaults such as described. You may of course
flail and scream and maybe get a punch in now and then but I suspect you
will have a change of attitude.

Like most liberals he will support diversity and violence until
exposed to it or on the receiving end of it.

Then he will grow up. Until then, he will have no clue - and continue
to equate murderers and stabbers with speeding motorists.

The point is not that you find this a reasonable and acceptable rate
of crime, but that no individual in the UK is allowed the means of
self-defense.

Please describe "self-defense." Is this a modern code word for "firearm"?
Can one not defend oneself by means other than firearms? Is it firearms or
nothing at all? I see this "I have the right to defend myself" a lot, but
ultimately, it means---"blow the head off of the sucker who is bothering
me."