Transport Amsterdam to Copenhagen to Stockholm to Oslo

I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and
I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of
these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but
time is of concern as well.

On 31/07/10 09:14, Cliff Bott wrote:
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October and
I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of
these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price, but
time is of concern as well.



Travel by air.

"Cliff Bott" wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October
and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a
mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than
price, but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several
weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes
direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the
onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48
arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in
advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you
select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only
operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too
early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times
will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they
are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots
of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but
the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time
consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but
I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement.

Tim

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On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October
and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or a
mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than
price, but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked several
weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes
direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME the
onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48
arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in
advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming you
select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only
operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably too
early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the times
will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route they
are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's lots
of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but
the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and time
consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours but
I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly. It could even be cheaper.

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October
and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or
a
mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than
price, but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too
long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked
several
weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes
direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME
the
onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo
22:48
arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in
advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming
you
select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only
operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably
too
early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the
times
will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route
they
are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's
lots
of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent)
but
the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and
time
consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours
but
I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly.

An overnight train costs little real time.

tim

On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late September/early October
and I'd like advice on transport options - that is. air, rail or sea or
a
mix of these. My main concern is comfort and convenience rather than
price, but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too
long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to be booked
several
weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20, sometimes
direct, sometimes by taking the local train to Malmo and changing (IME
the
onward connection will wait). Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo
22:48
arrives 7:05. All trains require reservation but usually not too far in
advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the fare (assuming
you
select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have only
operated in the summer and you are going in the winter. It's probably
too
early to tell what this year's timetable will be (if it does run, the
times
will be similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the route
they
are the same trains - though obviously the return direction). There's
lots
of low cost flights on the route (which is why the train isn't frequent)
but
the airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are expensive and
time
consuming to get to. There are three express buses a day taking 8 hours
but
I guess that doesn't meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly.

An overnight train costs little real time.

Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price
compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a
normal 2nd class train ticket.
If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for
long distances.

Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200:

On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late
September/early October and I'd like advice on transport
options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My
main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price,
but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably
too
long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to
be booked several weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20,
sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to
Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait).
Overnight train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All
trains require reservation but usually not too far
in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the
fare (assuming you select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have
only operated in the summer and you are going in the
winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's
timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be
similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the
route they are the same trains - though obviously the
return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the
route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the
airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are
expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three
express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't
meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly.

An overnight train costs little real time.

Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price
compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with
a normal 2nd class train ticket.
If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for
long distances.

Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check
into a hotel when you arrive. There are sleeper trains with showers but
I can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage
there is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to
Dubai, Japan and Europe.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Keep on wondering

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Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200:

On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late
September/early October and I'd like advice on transport
options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My
main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price,
but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too
long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to
be booked several weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20,
sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to
Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight
train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require
reservation but usually not too far
in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the
fare (assuming you select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have
only operated in the summer and you are going in the
winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's
timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be
similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the
route they are the same trains - though obviously the
return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the
route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the
airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are
expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three
express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't
meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly.

An overnight train costs little real time.

Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price
compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with a
normal 2nd class train ticket.
If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for
long distances.

Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check
into a hotel when you arrive. There are sleeper trains with showers but I
can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage there
is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to Dubai,
Japan and Europe.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On 31/07/10 15:55, James Silverton wrote:
Martin wrote on Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:27:26 +0200:

On 31/07/10 14:22, tim.... wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 31/07/10 12:41, tim.... wrote:
"Cliff wrote in message
d.com...
I'm visiting those cities in that order in late
September/early October and I'd like advice on transport
options - that is. air, rail or sea or a mix of these. My
main concern is comfort and convenience rather than price,
but time is of concern as well.

All of those routes currently have usable overnight rail services:

AMS-CHP: depart 17:40 arrive 11:15. Day time journey is probably too
long
to consider useful. Overnight train can sometimes need to
be booked several weeks ahead.

CHP-STK: departure every 2 hours during the day taking 5:20,
sometimes direct, sometimes by taking the local train to
Malmo and changing (IME the onward connection will wait). Overnight
train (M-F,Su) departs Malmo 22:48 arrives 7:05. All trains require
reservation but usually not too far
in advance, the further in advance you book the cheaper the
fare (assuming you select the right options).

STK-OSL: More difficult as in past years the direct trains have
only operated in the summer and you are going in the
winter. It's probably too early to tell what this year's
timetable will be (if it does run, the times will be
similar to the Malmo-Stockholm times as for part of the
route they are the same trains - though obviously the
return direction). There's lots of low cost flights on the
route (which is why the train isn't frequent) but the
airports aren't convenient to the city centre and are
expensive and time consuming to get to. There are three
express buses a day taking 8 hours but I guess that doesn't
meet the "comfort" requirement.

If he has limited time it is better to fly.

An overnight train costs little real time.

Other than being dead the next day.How does the night sleeper price
compare to an air fare between A'dam and Copenahagen.I don't mean with
a normal 2nd class train ticket.
If you are obsessed with train travel OK. Otherwise travel by air for
long distances.

Not just "dead" but grubby and with wrinkled clothes if you can't check
into a hotel when you arrive.

I tried it once with a first class sleeper ticket from Toulouse to
Paris. The train started shortly before midnight, the carriage rolled
the whole way, I had difficulty sleeping and worse still the train
arrived in Paris sometime around 5:30 am. I crossed Paris caught the
connecting train which got me to The Hague around 1pm. I felt dreadful.
Never again!

There are sleeper trains with showers but
I can't speak about those routes. I have often wondered what advantage
there is supposed to be about those fully reclining first class seats to
Dubai, Japan and Europe.


I had one on a business class intercontinental flight with Air France
flight I slept like a log and woke up with a hang over.