disorderly conduct?

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:43:31 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

PeterL wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:44 am, Mikey wrote:
PeterL wrote
roups.com:

You mean you can go to a public toilet to have sex and no one
should
bother you?

He was not arrested for having sex. He was arrested for sliding
his
shoe and
hand along the edge of the stall. I can understand arresting
someone for
having sex in public, but arresting someone for waving his hand
sounds more
like harrassment.


It's not "sliding his shoe" or "waving his hand". You misunderstood
what he was allegedly doing there.

According to Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20547150...wsweek/page/0/ he did
three things, he peeped into the crack around the door, he tapped his
foot, brushing it against the officer's, and he waved his hand under
the stall divider three times. Now whether that was some kind of
"signal" or not I don't know, I certainly wouldn't have recognized it
as such and would likely have come down on the twit's instep with my
250 pounds in a size 13 motorcycle boot at step 2.

Those are signals.

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On Sep 2, 3:10 pm, Rumsy wrote:
PeterL wrote oups.com:

It's not "sliding his shoe" or "waving his hand". You misunderstood
what he was allegedly doing there.

Are you talking about arresting someone for what he is thinking instead of
what he is doing or saying?


Again, not what he was thinking. But what he was doing. He was not
"sliding" his shoe, nor "waving" his hand.

On Sep 2, 7:30 pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:43:31 -0400, "J. Clarke"





wrote:
PeterL wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:44 am, Mikey wrote:
PeterL wrote
roups.com:

You mean you can go to a public toilet to have sex and no one
should
bother you?

He was not arrested for having sex. He was arrested for sliding
his
shoe and
hand along the edge of the stall. I can understand arresting
someone for
having sex in public, but arresting someone for waving his hand
sounds more
like harrassment.

It's not "sliding his shoe" or "waving his hand". You misunderstood
what he was allegedly doing there.

According to Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20547150...week/page/0/he did
three things, he peeped into the crack around the door, he tapped his
foot, brushing it against the officer's, and he waved his hand under
the stall divider three times. Now whether that was some kind of
"signal" or not I don't know, I certainly wouldn't have recognized it
as such and would likely have come down on the twit's instep with my
250 pounds in a size 13 motorcycle boot at step 2.

Those are signals.


Dave and J Clark, some people just dont' want to know or understand.



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He was not arrested for having sex. He was arrested for sliding his shoe
and
hand along the edge of the stall. I can understand arresting someone for
having sex in public, but arresting someone for waving his hand sounds
more
like harrassment.

Or entrapment. With a good attorney he might have had the charges dropped
if he hadn't decided to plead guilty thinking the whole thing would go away.

Don

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:34:42 -0700, "RVer Don"
wrote:




He was not arrested for having sex. He was arrested for sliding his shoe
and
hand along the edge of the stall. I can understand arresting someone for
having sex in public, but arresting someone for waving his hand sounds
more
like harrassment.

Or entrapment. With a good attorney he might have had the charges dropped
if he hadn't decided to plead guilty thinking the whole thing would go away.

The cops make a lot of busts this way. I doubt if an entrapment
suit is a starter; I'm sure it's been tried.

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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"PeterL" wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 5:24 pm, "Mike V." wrote:
Can someone explain to me why sliding your hand along the edge of
a
bathroom
stall is a criminal offense, but offering to buy a woman a drink
in
a bar is
not? I am a traveler and just trying to understand USA law.
Thank
you.


Obviously there is a set of secret hand signals you know nothing
about.

Ask yourself this question. If you are in a public toilet stall
and
there is another guy in next stall, would you extend your foot to
touch his? Would you put your hand under the partition to signal
him? Therein lies your answer.


Put your hand under to signal him you need some paper.

I certainly wouldn't know if someone was waving his hand under the
partition that he wanted some paper. What's wrong with "Hey, mate,
couldja pass me some bumwipe?"

Besides, we
are supposed to be the "land of the free". Getting less so all the
time. Why should the government get involved in something between
consenting adults?

Because the body politic has decided that sex in public washrooms is
socially unacceptable. We live in something that is trying hard to
become a democracy--in that system one is only as free as the majority
wants one to be.

F'n government keeps extending it's tentacles in
to lots of places it should not. Why should any government entity
in
the USA have a right to say you can not smoke inside your own house?
Just one example.

Uh, where in the US is it unlawful to smoke in a private residence?

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Several cities in the San Francisco Area are attempting to ban smoking in a
detached home if a minor lives there.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Carole Allen" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:56:08 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
Put your hand under to signal him you need some paper.

If the guy in the next stall didn't have a clue about these hand
signals (i.e., he was straight or not a cop), how would he know you
need paper just because he saw your hand waving around? How about
ASKING for some paper? Besides, the hand waving followed the shoe
rubbing. Wide stance? ROFLMAO.

Besides, we are
supposed to be the "land of the free". Getting less so all the
time. Why should the government get involved in something between
consenting adults?

This was in public, not someone's private home. If he wanted to
bonk
some guy all night in his home, the gov't wouldn't care (unless he
was in the deep south that is). His wife might be a bit put out
though.

F'n government keeps extending it's tentacles in to lots of places
it should
not. Why should any government entity in the USA have a right to
say you can not smoke inside your own house? Just one example.
Non-smoking laws do not bar smoking in private homes.




But the stalls were closed to the outside viewers.

And yet Craig was peeping into the cop's stall, so they don't seem to
be all _that_ closed.

And maybe the cop
ignored the plea for paper.

If so then howcum Craig never mentioned that he asked the cop for
paper?

Tell me where in the Constitution it
gives those powers to the government to control private actions.

Tell us where in the Constitution the states are prohibited from doing
so. The Constitution limits the powers of the Federal government--it
only limits the states to the degree that the courts have decided to
extend it.

And there are cities that have banned smoking in your own house if
there is a possibility of a child being in the building.

Which cities are those? The closest I can find is a ban in
Citronelle, AL, on smoking in private residences used as commercial
day care facilities.

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Most state constitutions are patterned on the US constitution.

"PeterL" wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 10:56 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"PeterL" wrote in message

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On Sep 1, 5:24 pm, "Mike V." wrote:
Can someone explain to me why sliding your hand along the edge of a
bathroom
stall is a criminal offense, but offering to buy a woman a drink in a
bar
is
not? I am a traveler and just trying to understand USA law. Thank
you.

Obviously there is a set of secret hand signals you know nothing
about.

Ask yourself this question. If you are in a public toilet stall and
there is another guy in next stall, would you extend your foot to
touch his? Would you put your hand under the partition to signal
him? Therein lies your answer.

Put your hand under to signal him you need some paper.


To a total stranger in the next stall?


Besides, we are
supposed to be the "land of the free". Getting less so all the time.


That part I agree.


Why
should the government get involved in something between consenting
adults?


Well, actually had the good senator gone to a bar, propositioned
another patron, male or female, and the two of them went to a hotel
room and did their business, the government would not have gotten
involved.

But using a public toilet to allegedly solicit and consumate sex acts
crosses the line.



F'n government keeps extending it's tentacles in to lots of places it
should
not. Why should any government entity in the USA have a right to say you
can not smoke inside your own house? Just one example

Where in the US does the government say you can't smoke inside your
own house?


http://www.nysun.com/article/60516 refers to cars.
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articl...w.php?id=66988 Condos are not
detached homes, so you are banned from smoking in them.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Mikey wrote:
PeterL wrote in
ups.com:
You mean you can go to a public toilet to have sex and no one
should
bother you?

He was not arrested for having sex. He was arrested for sliding his
shoe and hand along the edge of the stall. I can understand
arresting someone for having sex in public, but arresting someone
for
waving his hand sounds more like harrassment.

Not just "sliding his shoe along the edge of the stall", sliding it
_under_ and trying to play footsie with the cop.

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And footsie is public sex?

"PeterL" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 2, 3:10 pm, Rumsy wrote:
PeterL wrote
oups.com:

It's not "sliding his shoe" or "waving his hand". You misunderstood
what he was allegedly doing there.

Are you talking about arresting someone for what he is thinking instead
of
what he is doing or saying?


Again, not what he was thinking. But what he was doing. He was not
"sliding" his shoe, nor "waving" his hand.


He was having sex with the cop?